Measuring cabs to create sensitivity reponse charts

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Measuring cabs to create sensitivity reponse charts

#1 Post by Keryn O'Shea »

All the gear and no idea..
I'll play over the next couple of days.
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This is where l had thought to place the cab, it's 50ft to the first tree, is it suitable?
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#2 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice »

50 feet to the nearest large wall is sufficient. 15 feet from a tree would do, unless it's a Sequoia. :shock:

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I did a thing..
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Does that woofer look average to you? Also is the 3-6k peak something to diagnose?
AT8 14", AT10 19", T30 28" LAB12, T48 36" 3015LF, THT 20" LAB15, SLA 4x3"/4x4", CArray 6x4", TLAH, TLAP, J10 FA, J12 FA, OT8 CD, OT12 FA, OT15 CD, SLAP 2x6"/4x6", WH8, DR280 MA, XF210. Next J10L

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TLAP at 1.4v & 2.83v because it's a 4ohm cab, it was about to rain & I didn't research what to do before I started!
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AT8 14", AT10 19", T30 28" LAB12, T48 36" 3015LF, THT 20" LAB15, SLA 4x3"/4x4", CArray 6x4", TLAH, TLAP, J10 FA, J12 FA, OT8 CD, OT12 FA, OT15 CD, SLAP 2x6"/4x6", WH8, DR280 MA, XF210. Next J10L

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The Frankenshorties just because I was curious. 16ohm, 6.5" Jaycar Hifi woofer, 4xGT302.
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AT8 14", AT10 19", T30 28" LAB12, T48 36" 3015LF, THT 20" LAB15, SLA 4x3"/4x4", CArray 6x4", TLAH, TLAP, J10 FA, J12 FA, OT8 CD, OT12 FA, OT15 CD, SLAP 2x6"/4x6", WH8, DR280 MA, XF210. Next J10L

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Interesting results. Remind us again, which driver combination you have.
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How did you go about setting everything up?
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It's an "FS" brand 400w woofer, melded array. Set up was mic and cab on speaker stands, l set the amp to 2.83v at 500hz, then hit measure on REW.
AT8 14", AT10 19", T30 28" LAB12, T48 36" 3015LF, THT 20" LAB15, SLA 4x3"/4x4", CArray 6x4", TLAH, TLAP, J10 FA, J12 FA, OT8 CD, OT12 FA, OT15 CD, SLAP 2x6"/4x6", WH8, DR280 MA, XF210. Next J10L

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That's not how it's done. You take two measurements. The first is ground plane, the cab on the ground, the mic a few inches above the ground two meters away. This gives you the half-space result below the baffle step frequency; add 6dB to get the 1 meter result. The second is with the cab on its back facing up, the mic suspended two meters above it. This gives the half-space result above the baffle step. Superimpose the two charts, splice them where they intersect in the lower midrange. Use 1/6 octave smoothing, as you can't hear with better resolution than that, and it gets rid of the minor peaks and valleys that are of no consequence.

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Bill Fitzmaurice wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:39 pm.. You take 2 measurements..
Oh ok 😄
I'll get back at it then
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Bill Fitzmaurice wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:39 pm ...baffle step frequency...
New phrase for me. Researching now. :thumbsup:
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One T39, 16", 3012LF loaded
Tall AutoTuba, 20" wide, 2x 8" MCM 55-2421
TruckTuba, 8½" wide, 2x 8" MCM 55-2421

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It's where the radiation pattern narrows to 180 degrees. At and above that frequency the cab is in half-space with no boundaries present. Below that frequency boundaries must be present to get a half-space result, or it's full space. The only way to get a full spectrum half-space result with a single measurement is with the baffle walled in, with no other reflections. To do that you either need an anechoic chamber or you can put the cab face up outdoors in a pit, back-filled to have the baffle level with the ground. This is all moot if what you care about is in-room response, but if you want true apples to apples comparisons it has to be half-space, so you're only measuring the speaker and not the speaker plus the room.

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Bill Fitzmaurice wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 8:31 am It's where the radiation pattern narrows to 180 degrees....
Is that based on information gained in the measurement itself, calculated based on cab width, or something else?
Build in process - 2 WH6, one Alpha 6a loaded, one PRV Audio 6MB250-NDY loaded

Two 2x6 shorty SLA Pro's
One T39, 16", 3012LF loaded
Tall AutoTuba, 20" wide, 2x 8" MCM 55-2421
TruckTuba, 8½" wide, 2x 8" MCM 55-2421

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#13 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice »

The baffle dimensions, which is why it's called the baffle step. In the case of a horn it's the mouth dimensions.

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