DJ FroZone has arrived with a barrage of questions

[Chris_Allen]

Given your limited budget, I would completely ignore a sub to start with.

The Omni10.5 are great cabs but they are completely beaten on sensitivity by the OmniTop 12, which is more on par with 2x O10.5's.

The Crown Xti's are great amps but I think it is more important for you to stick to your budget and get a working rig as early as possible. Keep it simple and get some cash in the bank. The 2512 and 2510 drivers are around the same cost, but you get more for your money in the 2512. The OT12 is only 2" wider and 4" deeper than O10.5, so the impact on pack space is minimal.

Yes, the OT12 drops like a rock below 120Hz, but most of your audience won't miss the content. You could EQ out 100+ on the OT12 and you would still probably get a better performance per watt from the OT12 over the O10.5 and get it performing to 100Hz. If you really need a sub, borrow one/hire one in the short term or buy a second hand harmoniser to add low end distortion and fake it. Once you have got your sub, sell the harmoniser on at no loss. If you are doing parties for drunk kids, they are mostly going to go for volume over anything else. Build up your rig with the money you earn and start walking up the market into larger gigs. Don't expect to hit 200+ outdoor gigs without spending the money first, your industry is built on reputation, keep it professional and be sensible with your investiment. 90%+ of the people paying you won't know anything about speakers, so don't feel pressured into thinking that you need to own something that has no practical use.

[DJ FroZone]

FIrst thank u to eveyone who posted up online here. thats alot of help. so im gonna clarify a few things first.

500 right now is my budget. i plan to build as i go on. like id say i have enough for one omni and an amp. subs and everyhing comes later.
As far as space. in my scion i have fi tthe following (mine is the new scion) my coffin case with my 300+ pnd turntables. two 15" harbingers, amp, cables, cd case. and some other stuff. but i i do need to make a model.

So it now is a question of where to start. omini top 12 or ominie 10.5 full.

http://www.djforums.com/forums/showthre ... ost1857572

loaferz basically is my inspiration here. as far as end game and the prices he paid. i dont know alot about drivers or anything. i can also buy a T24 1st gen with a rockford driver. but i may wait to see if i can build my own.

So for now im gonna focus on one speaker and amp. i dont have the skills for DR not even close. so im stuck on the omni's.

[DJPhatman]

If you can build an Omni, you can build a DR. The DRs just take a lot more time to build, that's why they have a higher build difficulty rating. They are well worth the effort, In My Humble but Informed Opinion. After A/Bing DR200, DR250, OT12 and my O10 at Tim A's, the decision on what model to build was made for me! The DR200 was beaten by the DR250, but only slightly, and only with multiple cabs. The clarity and overall tightness of the DR200 was nothing short of startling! And, in such a small cab, I would much rather schlep in a bunch of small cabs over fewer larger ones. Since I never run without subs, the low end roll-off of the DR200 makes no difference to me.

[DJ FroZone]

If you can build an Omni, you can build a DR. The DRs just take a lot more time to build, that's why they have a higher build difficulty rating. They are well worth the effort, In My Humble but Informed Opinion. After A/Bing DR200, DR250, OT12 and my O10 at Tim A's, the decision on what model to build was made for me! The DR200 was beaten by the DR250, but only slightly, and only with multiple cabs. The clarity and overall tightness of the DR200 was nothing short of startling! And, in such a small cab, I would much rather schlep in a bunch of small cabs over fewer larger ones. Since I never run without subs, the low end roll-off of the DR200 makes no difference to me.

i heard the diffculty of the DR200 is really high and worthy of the marks on the site. i've never done a project like this before. im sure i could figure things out. but i dont have access to a really deep tool set.

[DJPhatman]

I am only giving you options and opinions. A DR200, along with any other cab Bill has designed, can be built with not much more than a circular saw, a jig(sabre) saw, and a hammer and nails. The DRs just have a lot more steps to them, and take a lot of time and patience. Given your wants and needs, along with the limited pack space, this is an excellent start to a killer system. I am not trying to steer you away from an omni, but trying to encourage you to set your mind that you can build a DR.

[DJ FroZone]

I am only giving you options and opinions. A DR200, along with any other cab Bill has designed, can be built with not much more than a circular saw, a jig(sabre) saw, and a hammer and nails. The DRs just have a lot more steps to them, and take a lot of time and patience. Given your wants and needs, along with the limited pack space, this is an excellent start to a killer system. I am not trying to steer you away from an omni, but trying to encourage you to set your mind that you can build a DR.

i do like the draw of the dr200. its the finding tools part that may be difficult, i doont think i have a circular saw. but im gonna ask around a bit. DR is more my style

[LelandCrooks]

A router/spiral saw is almost a must for a DR. It can be done with a jig saw, or even a coping saw . You have to be able to cut circles.

[DJ FroZone]

A router/spiral saw is almost a must for a DR. It can be done with a jig saw, or even a coping saw . You have to be able to cut circles.

http://www.tylertool.com/mak2710porta.html

do u think that would work. one of my friends has one.

[David Carter]

A router/spiral saw is almost a must for a DR. It can be done with a jig saw, or even a coping saw . You have to be able to cut circles.

http://www.tylertool.com/mak2710porta.html

do u think that would work. one of my friends has one.

A table saw is a huge plus. I borrowed one for my first couple of builds. Just make sure you have a quality blade. Also, build Bill's panel jig for the table saw. The router/spiral saw is a separate issue and is also a huge help. I don't have one, but I have a friend who does, and I borrow it every time I'm going to build a cab. I don't know what I'd do without it. I guess a jigsaw could work, but it's a lot harder to be accurate without a router and a circle-cutting jig (I made my own).

[DJ FroZone]

A router/spiral saw is almost a must for a DR. It can be done with a jig saw, or even a coping saw . You have to be able to cut circles.

http://www.tylertool.com/mak2710porta.html

do u think that would work. one of my friends has one.

A table saw is a huge plus. I borrowed one for my first couple of builds. Just make sure you have a quality blade. Also, build Bill's panel jig for the table saw. The router/spiral saw is a separate issue and is also a huge help. I don't have one, but I have a friend who does, and I borrow it every time I'm going to build a cab. I don't know what I'd do without it. I guess a jigsaw could work, but it's a lot harder to be accurate without a router and a circle-cutting jig (I made my own).

can u post a link as to wat a router/and circle cutting jig looks like? im asking around to all my friends to see who is going be my new best friend. and yes im gonna do bills jig. idk what it actually is or looks like but sounds like i need it.

[David Carter]

can u post a link as to wat a router/and circle cutting jig looks like? im asking around to all my friends to see who is going be my new best friend. and yes im gonna do bills jig. idk what it actually is or looks like but sounds like i need it.

The panel jig is basically like a big tray that you slide across the table saw blade which helps make sure that your cuts are straight and your panels end up with perfect 90-degree corners.

Here is an inexpensive router. Here is everyone's favorite circle jig. I actually just made my own out of a spare piece of 1/8" plywood. Not as versatile as the Jasper Jig, but it did the trick and was free.

[DJ FroZone]

can u post a link as to wat a router/and circle cutting jig looks like? im asking around to all my friends to see who is going be my new best friend. and yes im gonna do bills jig. idk what it actually is or looks like but sounds like i need it.

The panel jig is basically like a big tray that you slide across the table saw blade which helps make sure that your cuts are straight and your panels end up with perfect 90-degree corners.

Here is an inexpensive router. Here is everyone's favorite circle jig. I actually just made my own out of a space piece of 1/8" plywood. Not as versatile as the Jasper Jig, but it did the trick and was free.

i LOVE free tell us how u made the jig?

[David Carter]

i LOVE free tell us how u made the jig?

I don't have any pics, but all I did was remove the base plate of the router, cut out a rectangular piece of 1/8" ply, attached it to the bottom of the router using the base plate screws, drilled a hole to allow the router bit to contact the work piece. I made sure that the piece of ply was long enough on one side to extend out the length of the radius of the largest circle I needed to cut. Kind of like this, but I didn't worry about giving it a fancy shape. Mine is just a long rectangular piece of ply.



Here is the article I pulled the above pic from. I didn't even read the article, so I cannot vouch for anything it says. I was just trying to find a pic to give you a visual to go with what I did.

[DJ FroZone]

thanks now all i gotta do is wait for bill to reply to request for plans. and i can start gathering supplies. now i gotta find a place to get my parts. I assume leland isn't the only one offering parts.

[jcmbowman]

Now i gotta find a place to get my parts. I assume leland isn't the only one offering parts.

Correct - Leland is not the only one offering parts. He's just the least expensive. And if there's anything wrong with your order you actually have someone who understands the importance of customer service to take care of things.