DJ FroZone has arrived with a barrage of questions

[DJ FroZone]

Hello to all of you. I was directed here from djforums.com

after 4 years of using other ppls speakers to power my gigs. i was about to drop 500 on a JBL 15 eon g2. then i found this site. I think thiat this is more cost effective to a young DJ thats bought everything himself since highschool.

I'm an all range DJ. I've done weddings, incredibly drunk college parties, 16th birthday parties, to radio. I enjoy being able to handle anytype of gig. I run the following. One stanton ST-150, numark tt500, audio innovate 100i mixer, shure-m447-H, M-audio Torq, and my 08' macbook.

After looking at everything. This is what i've decided to build. I need some in put.

I need a full range multi purpose set up

So i was lookin at the Omini Top 12 and a tuba 24 or 30. haven't decided yet.
I had some intial questions. What is the general cost of builiding a top12. either the 2x12 or the 1x12.

What would be the main diff between the 2x and the 1x?

I enjoy building stuff ever since i worked wtih legos. I am no master craftsman though. I have plans to do an auto tuba at some point. i have a polk 36" sitting in my bassement. so maybe for later.

I'm just going to build one omni top 12 now. either the 1x or 2x (need help deciding) if that goes well then do the others.
So costs? and what type of amp would i need to run all this? i have no amp and i need to know how much about to spend on an amp as ell.
Thanks to all

Yes i know i repeat questions as i type

-FroZone

[Scott Brochu]

So i was lookin at the Omini Top 12 and a tuba 24 or 30. haven't decided yet.
I had some intial questions. What is the general cost of builiding a top12. either the 2x12 or the 1x12.

What would be the main diff between the 2x and the 1x?

So costs? and what type of amp would i need to run all this? i have no amp and i need to know how much about to spend on an amp as ell.
Thanks to all


-FroZone

IMO for a DJ I'd think you want 2 omni 10's or O top 12's, just my O. and a Tuba 24. But that all depends what you have for crowds, if you get more people just add more of the same cabs.
I would definetly build 2 of what every you end up building.
For an amp, it dosn't take much to run them. Behringer puts together a very good for the money amp. maybe a 1500 in your case.
as for cost, look at the web page and read each one, they give recomended prices.
Good luck and ask questions, we can all help you out.

[DJ FroZone]

So i was lookin at the Omini Top 12 and a tuba 24 or 30. haven't decided yet.
I had some intial questions. What is the general cost of builiding a top12. either the 2x12 or the 1x12.

What would be the main diff between the 2x and the 1x?

So costs? and what type of amp would i need to run all this? i have no amp and i need to know how much about to spend on an amp as ell.
Thanks to all


-FroZone

IMO for a DJ I'd think you want 2 omni 10's or O top 12's, just my O. and a Tuba 24. But that all depends what you have for crowds, if you get more people just add more of the same cabs.
I would definetly build 2 of what every you end up building.
For an amp, it dosn't take much to run them. Behringer puts together a very good for the money amp. maybe a 1500 in your case.
as for cost, look at the web page and read each one, they give recomended prices.
Good luck and ask questions, we can all help you out.

wats the diff in cost between the omini 10 and the top 12's? and performance wise?

200 for an amp to power all this? sounds like a plan for me!

any specialty tools i'll need.?

[Scott Brochu]

So i was lookin at the Omini Top 12 and a tuba 24 or 30. haven't decided yet.
I had some intial questions. What is the general cost of builiding a top12. either the 2x12 or the 1x12.

What would be the main diff between the 2x and the 1x?

So costs? and what type of amp would i need to run all this? i have no amp and i need to know how much about to spend on an amp as ell.
Thanks to all


-FroZone

IMO for a DJ I'd think you want 2 omni 10's or O top 12's, just my O. and a Tuba 24. But that all depends what you have for crowds, if you get more people just add more of the same cabs.
I would definetly build 2 of what every you end up building.
For an amp, it dosn't take much to run them. Behringer puts together a very good for the money amp. maybe a 1500 in your case.
as for cost, look at the web page and read each one, they give recomended prices.
Good luck and ask questions, we can all help you out.

wats the diff in cost between the omini 10 and the top 12's? and performance wise?

200 for an amp to power all this? sounds like a plan for me!

any specialty tools i'll need.?

WO WO...... down boy!
For the amp you need to seperate for 2 channels one for subs and other for tops. Each one of those lines will be seperated for each cab or daisy chain each channel. I am NOT sure that will be all you need. It's just a place to start.
as for tools.....did you read the main page of which speaker cab you want to build? It says everything. After that buy the plans.
I mean if you are deciding between two or three cabs just buy all three. If not do what I did and buy all the cab designs. Well worth it.
Again IMO

Glad to get your gears turning....sometimes I know, it is mind blowing on which cab to build.

[DJ FroZone]

IMO for a DJ I'd think you want 2 omni 10's or O top 12's, just my O. and a Tuba 24. But that all depends what you have for crowds, if you get more people just add more of the same cabs.
I would definetly build 2 of what every you end up building.
For an amp, it dosn't take much to run them. Behringer puts together a very good for the money amp. maybe a 1500 in your case.
as for cost, look at the web page and read each one, they give recomended prices.
Good luck and ask questions, we can all help you out. [/quote]
wats the diff in cost between the omini 10 and the top 12's? and performance wise?

200 for an amp to power all this? sounds like a plan for me!

any specialty tools i'll need.?[/quote]
WO WO...... down boy!
For the amp you need to seperate for 2 channels one for subs and other for tops. Each one of those lines will be seperated for each cab or daisy chain each channel. I am NOT sure that will be all you need. It's just a place to start.
as for tools.....did you read the main page of which speaker cab you want to build? It says everything. After that buy the plans.
I mean if you are deciding between two or three cabs just buy all three. If not do what I did and buy all the cab designs. Well worth it.
Again IMO

Glad to get your gears turning....sometimes I know, it is mind blowing on which cab to build.
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haha sorry i bust out so fast. haha.

so im going to order all the plans at once. but im gonna buy materials for one speaker first to make sure i can do this.
since i know i want a dedicated sub. im leaning towards the omini top 12.
I dont really know much about wattage or anything so i'll look around for posts on watts and such.

Whats the main difference between and 1x12 and a 2x12?? I plan to bulid that T24 so maybe just a 1x since i'll have a sub later to play the lowends?

[Scott Brochu]

I'm glad to see your enthusiasm but wait till a Dj with experience with either of these cabs to chime in so you get what you want from these cabs.
I am a drummer in a country band and am still learning about sound so what I say should be taken with a grain of salt.
I just don't want you to build something your not happy with in the end.

Buying all the plans is something I wanted to do because I like the design and new I would build some for my band and home life (studio/ practice area etc...).

Before making final decision do have a plan of attack?

Pack space in you transportaion? on average how many people will you playing infront of?
I don't want to tell you what to do but at least wait till the end of the day to see if any DJ's that has this equipment would chime in.

[DJ FroZone]

I'm glad to see your enthusiasm but wait till a Dj with experience with either of these cabs to chime in so you get what you want from these cabs.
I am a drummer in a country band and am still learning about sound so what I say should be taken with a grain of salt.
I just don't want you to build something your not happy with in the end.

Buying all the plans is something I wanted to do because I like the design and new I would build some for my band and home life (studio/ practice area etc...).

Before making final decision do have a plan of attack?

Pack space in you transportaion? on average how many people will you playing infront of?
I don't want to tell you what to do but at least wait till the end of the day to see if any DJ's that has this equipment would chime in.

yea. im not starting this till after Jan 5th. thats my latest gig.

im gonna buy the plans for what iwant to build. this week. just so i know whats goin on.

[DJPhatman]

Hello DJ FroZone, and welcome to the forum!

Your first decision to make is "How am I going to get my stuff from point A to point B?" This will give you an idea of how much you can/are willing to carry. If all you have is a car, you won't be able to use T30s as they probably won't fit in the car. Let us know how you will transport your cabs and equipment, this will allow us to give you better opinions. Low, loud or small. You can only have 2.

Go to here to see pics of my O10s and T39s. The O10s are going to be replaced by DR200s, as the DR200 is just a much clearer, tighter sounding cabinet. The O10s will kick the snot out of the JBL Eon series cabs, then take their lunch money to boot!

Just remember, you will need, at the minimum, a 31 band EQ and a good crossover. If you are starting from scratch as you said, go to http://www.northernsound.net and join for US$1. To save a bit of money, and a lot of weight, I urge you to consider the Crown XTi series of amps. They have on-board DSP, which can reduce the amount of equipment you will have to load in and out.

[Rug]

Go to here to see pics of my O10s and T39s.

Can you double check this link? I tried 2 different browsers and can't get it to open to anything but a blank page.

[Scott Brochu]

Go to here to see pics of my O10s and T39s.

Can you double check this link? I tried 2 different browsers and can't get it to open to anything but a blank page.

I will second that.

[jcmbowman]

+1 to what DJphatman said.

IF you're starting from scratch and want our advice, please let us know the following:

1) how are you going to move all this stuff around? (and will you have people to help you schlep it or is it all solo work?)
2) how big of a crowd do you currently play for, and how big of a crowd do you eventually WANT to be able to play for.
3) what styles of music will be played through the system?
4) How much of a concern is budget?

JOHNb

[DJ FroZone]

+1 to what DJphatman said.

IF you're starting from scratch and want our advice, please let us know the following:

1) how are you going to move all this stuff around? (and will you have people to help you schlep it or is it all solo work?)
2) how big of a crowd do you currently play for, and how big of a crowd do you eventually WANT to be able to play for.
3) what styles of music will be played through the system?
4) How much of a concern is budget?

JOHNb

1. Scion xb-2008. bascially solo. ( i am however a decently built guy so i can lift) and this will be mostly solo. i may have others come by to see what im doing. but idk any craftsmen.
2. I generally play for a parties of 40+ in elk lodges, or birthday parties. I also habe played at some out door events, like at a park. I want to be able to do a weddings and not worry if my sound will carry achieve close to L1 status with my sound. I want to be able to 200+ crowds
3. All sorts of style will be played. primarily hiphop i mean oldschool hiphop. but my sound ranges from old country to Drum n bass.
4. My budget is 500 or so. give or take a hundred or so. This will be a progressive project. i habev money now for one Omni. after jan5th i'll have 300
and really go at it.

[jcmbowman]

Well, based on that....

I'd start with a pair of OmniTop 12s, and follow that up shortly thereafter with one or two Titan39s. You should be able to do the OT12s for about $250 per speaker, the pricing on the T39s will vary depending on which driver you put in it.

You'll need an amplifier (or two if you run in stereo - I prefer stereo, but many of the folks on here run mono - it's purely a matter of preference), and some kind of EQ/Crossover/DSP setup. If you want to simplify you could get one of the Crown XTi amplifiers (Or a similar model from a competitor such as QSC), since the XTi has built in DSP--meaning you wont need to purchase a crossover. If you're trying to stay inside that budget you'll want to shop around for used amplifiers, but realistically once you start adding in cables and stands and a road case for your amplifier(s) chances are you'll be looking at more like $1000-2000 by the time you're done. Yes, it's more than you'd spend on that JBL POS, but you'll have a system that will stand head and shoulders above any of your competitors for the same scale of gigs.

On the other hand, if $500 really is your budget, you'll want to scale back from even the OT12. Take a look at the SLAs and perhaps a Tuba24. That would be a decent setup for starting out, but you'd be hard pressed to cover ore than 100 people indoors with that rig, and only about 50 outdoors.

[DJPhatman]

You can do O10.5s, and add more as needed. But, with your budget, you will be really ham-stringed. 1 XTi1000 will eat up 80% of your projected budget. I'm sorry to break the news to you, but you will need to spend more. All the materials (except finish) for a single O10.5 will cost around US$200. That is including the best driver (2510) and a melded array.

You really need to re-think your situation. A Scion xB is very limited in pack space. Start with buying the full set of plans, so you will know how big each cabinet minimum will be. Then make cardboard mock-ups of the ones you might be interested in building. Don't forget to make two subs and two tops. Then you will have an idea of what will fit in your pack-space. My gut tells me all the Tuba are out, except the T24 and maybe the T18, and only a pair of T39 slims might fit. I know this is not what you want to hear, but it is what it is.

[SoundInMotionDJ]

Welcome to the forum.

I'm an all range DJ. I've done weddings, incredibly drunk college parties, 16th birthday parties, to radio. I enjoy being able to handle any type of gig.

(snip...)

I need a full range multi purpose set up

So i was lookin at the Omini Top 12 and a tuba 24 or 30. haven't decided yet.
I had some intial questions.

OK...given the kind of music that you play, and the limited pack space that you have, sensitivity should drive the decisions of what cabinets to build. Unless you can prove (with an RTA) that you need <40Hz content, Titans should be your choice of subs. The T39 will outperform the T24 and T30 >40Hz and that is where the bulk of the bass "feel" lives.

For small pack space, the O10.5 and the DR200 are the awesome choices. Neither can really hold down a party without a sub, but the 10.5 has better low end than the DR200.

--Stan Graves