Photos of BF rigs used for live music

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wannabe · #46 Post by **wannabe** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:00 pm

I've been using carvin for the last 7 yrs and I've never had a problem with them. I have 2 guitars, 1 bass, 3 powered speakers, 2 4x12 cabs, 1 tube amp, a DCM2500, a few raw speakers, DJ mixer, 2 wireless units and so one. I have never had a problem with them at all. The only one that had any problems was the tube amp but that was from 1987 and i beat the hell outta that thing on tour with no road case and it just went down on me this yr. I'd say if you're willing to give em a shot, the DCM power amps are great. I'd easily compare them to more expensive crowns, not the ridiculously high priced crowns, but ones that are 2-400 more. Thats just me though. I know my buddy has a carvin bass, brx 4x10, Redline 1000 head and a wireless unit, and my other buddy have a legacy full stack and 2 powered speakers and there have been 0 problems from the 3 of us with a lot of money invested in carvin equipment.

I understand people have horror stories about them, but I've had them with god knows how many other companies. I won't touch anything Peavey anymore. But if you want to save some money and have a good amp, but the DCM. I've seen em through the damn thing on the parking lot (not in any case) and it turns right back on.

daver · #47 Post by **daver** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:11 am

Bill Fitzmaurice wrote: Personally I'd never own a powered mixer.

I own three! A time and a place for everything. Mostly, I rent them out.

brodave2 · #48 Post by **brodave2** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:27 am

I keep talking to the bands about trying in ears, if it was my band on stage I would probably already have done it, but I provide PA hire for the bands and at the moment they want wedges...and I aint about to fork out for 3 wireless sets of in ears.....

I'm building my BF speakers for a new smaller rig, and I also bought an older 01v for the mixer. I've use it once on a small deal with only 4 inputs used, and I like it so far. I have a yamaha LS9-32 I've been using for a year with my big rig, and that's why I went with a digital for the smaller rig, digital is the only way to go, especially with multi-band gigs, you can save your settings and recall them. As far as the IEM's go, you can get 4 mixes out of two stereo transmitters. Each stereo transmitter will do a mix on each side. The bodypacks have a pan control so the musicians can select either side to hear, or a mix of the two. You can buy as many bodypacks as you want to go with each transmitter. I've worked bands that had their owm EIM setup and they had 4 guys, two transmitters, and 4 bodypacks, 4 mixes.

Tim A · #49 Post by **Tim A** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:59 am

Finally got a half-assed pic of some of the gear. This was a tight space, I couldn't get back far enough to get it all in.

In the pic is a Titan-39 with a DR200 on top, behind the Titan you can see a DR250 on the bassist's rig, and to the lower left is a Wedgehorn.

Nordskov · #50 Post by **Nordskov** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:00 am

And nobody ever found out that all they heard that night were playback to that jukebox

Way to go!

It looks small enough to be a wedge, not a wedge10, right?!

Nice and compact setup you have.

Tim A · #51 Post by **Tim A** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:16 am

Yes, a small Wedgehorn. We don't typically fold anything back through the monitors if we can help it.

That's my small set up. The other 200 is on a stand, we just used a single sub. In a larger room there'd be an equipment rack and mixer, plus more and/or different cabs.

vlad335 · #52 Post by **vlad335** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:25 am

Thanks for the pic Tim. Yeah thats a tight setup but it seems like you guys did it smart.

How did the bass player like the DR250?

Tim A · #53 Post by **Tim A** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:30 am

He liked it, and so did I. Unfortunately it was built as a PA so it's loaded with a full crossfired array, but we were able to tame it with EQ. Not perfect but good enough for a trial run.

Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:09 am

Tim Ard wrote:He liked it, and so did I. Unfortunately it was built as a PA so it's loaded with a full crossfired array, but we were able to tame it with EQ. Not perfect but good enough for a trial run.

The main reason not to use a full array for the backline is the tight vertical dispersion. A half array, three or four tweeters high, makes it easier to hear the highs up close and still gives enough sensitivity for the bass or even keys.

Tim A · #55 Post by **Tim A** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:30 am

Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:
Tim Ard wrote:He liked it, and so did I. Unfortunately it was built as a PA so it's loaded with a full crossfired array, but we were able to tame it with EQ. Not perfect but good enough for a trial run.
The main reason not to use a full array for the backline is the tight vertical dispersion. A half array, three or four tweeters high, makes it easier to hear the highs up close and still gives enough sensitivity for the bass or even keys.

Yeah, but it still seemed too bright out front. If I were to build him one, I'd probably give him a switch for all on/half/all off.

Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:48 am

Tim Ard wrote:
Yeah, but it still seemed too bright out front.

Mostly because the tight pattern meant he couldn't hear the highs going past him. I agree that you don't need the sensitivity of a full array for bass, but the dispersion issue is just as important, assuming the cab isn't up at head height.

DaveK · #57 Post by **DaveK** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:43 pm

If I were to build him one, I'd probably give him a switch for all on/half/all off.

How would you do the half-on arrangement for better vertical dispersion? Middle 4 tweeters on (assuming 8 tweeter array), middle 4 tweeters off, or every other tweeter on?

Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:48 pm

DaveK wrote:
If I were to build him one, I'd probably give him a switch for all on/half/all off.
How would you do the half-on arrangement for better vertical dispersion? Middle 4 tweeters on (assuming 8 tweeter array), middle 4 tweeters off, or every other tweeter on?

Top half on.