Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

[Seth]

What a masterpiece this is turning out to be. Look at the beautiful fat daddy!

Ryno's gonna be putting the noise in Illinois.

Have you buttoned it up for a test run yet?

[RYNO20]

What a masterpiece this is turning out to be. Look at the beautiful fat daddy!

Ryno's gonna be putting the noise in Illinois.

Have you buttoned it up for a test run yet?

Not yet finishing van motor
Soon to button on last side

Does this calculator from this company be of any benefit?
I only see Dbu on my DBX IN LIMITER setting don’t see voltage and there is a gain thing too.
How exactly do I put wires from pink noise to LAB 15 To break in ?
That just arrived, it’s cool

[Seth]

What a masterpiece this is turning out to be. Look at the beautiful fat daddy!

Ryno's gonna be putting the noise in Illinois.

Have you buttoned it up for a test run yet?

Not yet finishing van motor
Soon to button on last side

8C2079A9-74B8-41FE-91D1-62A629517EA9.png
Does this calculator from this company be of any benefit?
I only see Dbu on my DBX IN LIMITER setting don’t see voltage and there is a gain thing too.
How exactly do I put wires from pink noise to LAB 15 To break in ?
That just arrived, it’s cool

Break-in:
- On your phone or iPad, search online tone generator.
Here's the one that came up in my search. https://onlinetonegenerator.com/
- Plug that into your system and set it to play a 50 or 60Hz sine wave. I've always used 60Hz because I read somewhere that Digital Multimeters are designed to read 50 or 60Hz voltage. I don't know how true that is, but it's just what I've done and why.
- Without the speaker connected, set your digital multimeter to read AC volts and connect the leads to the amplifiers output. Doesn't matter which lead goes on which +/- terminal.
- Adjust the output to read 10 volts and connect the leads to your driver.
- Adjust the frequency of the tone generator to 25-30Hz sine wave and let it go for about 12 hours.

Setting the limiter is very similar.
- Set the attack time of the limiter to it's shortest/quickest setting. Not sure what that is in a Driverack. Might be 0.01s or could even be noted as 0.
-With the speaker cab disconnected, turn your amp gain all the way up and play a 60Hz sine wave, enough signal from the mixer so that the amps leads measure more than your intended limit voltage.
-With the Multimeter set to read AC volts and connected to the amp output, slowly reduce the limiter threshold until the meter reads 60 volts, or slightly less if it won't sit right at 60v. Slightly less is better than slightly more.
- Now reduce the volume setting and slam it back up fast. Looking at your multimeter, you shouldn't see any voltage higher than 60. That's it. Now, turn it down/off and connect your cab.

[RYNO20]

What a masterpiece this is turning out to be. Look at the beautiful fat daddy!

Ryno's gonna be putting the noise in Illinois.

Have you buttoned it up for a test run yet?

Not yet finishing van motor
Soon to button on last side

8C2079A9-74B8-41FE-91D1-62A629517EA9.png
Does this calculator from this company be of any benefit?
I only see Dbu on my DBX IN LIMITER setting don’t see voltage and there is a gain thing too.
How exactly do I put wires from pink noise to LAB 15 To break in ?
That just arrived, it’s cool

Break-in:
- On your phone or iPad, search online tone generator.
Here's the one that came up in my search. https://onlinetonegenerator.com/
- Plug that into your system and set it to play a 50 or 60Hz sine wave. I've always used 60Hz because I read somewhere that Digital Multimeters are designed to read 50 or 60Hz voltage. I don't know how true that is, but it's just what I've done and why.
- Without the speaker connected, set your digital multimeter to read AC volts and connect the leads to the amplifiers output. Doesn't matter which lead goes on which +/- terminal.
- Adjust the output to read 10 volts and connect the leads to your driver.
- Adjust the frequency of the tone generator to 25-30Hz sine wave and let it go for about 12 hours.

Setting the limiter is very similar.
- Set the attack time of the limiter to it's shortest/quickest setting. Not sure what that is in a Driverack. Might be 0.01s or could even be noted as 0.
-With the speaker cab disconnected, turn your amp gain all the way up and play a 60Hz sine wave, enough signal from the mixer so that the amps leads measure more than your intended limit voltage.
-With the Multimeter set to read AC volts and connected to the amp output, slowly reduce the limiter threshold until the meter reads 60 volts, or slightly less if it won't sit right at 60v. Slightly less is better than slightly more.
- Now reduce the volume setting and slam it back up fast. Looking at your multimeter, you shouldn't see any voltage higher than 60. That's it. Now, turn it down/off and connect your cab.

Ok got speaker doing it’s break in
Trying to send a screenshot of my DBX limiter screen so far fail http error
Compressor pic seemed to work
Pics too large
Got to figure camera quality out

[Seth]

Start with Threshold all the way to the right, then you'll move it to the left until you're amps output voltage comes down to 60 volts.
Gain in the middle, 0dB
Ratio all the way to the right, Infinite.
OverEasy... uhhhhhhhhhmmm. Not sure about that one. Read the description in the manual. Not sure it's too important since you're not likely to be riding the limiter. Perhaps one of the guys who have used this unit will chime in.

Bruce? Looks to me this unit has the same " PeakPlus™ type limiters" that the Xti amps use (notice the trademark).
dbx DriveRack PA² Manual, limiter settings are on the page marked 44 (page 46 of the document)

[Bruce Weldy]

Turn the compressor off on all outputs.....highs, mids, lows. You'll only use two of those, but turn 'em all off.

You will be limiting the LOW output. In the limiter, turn off the over easy.

Do not use the dbx setup wizard. Set everything to CUSTOM.

I don't know your level of expertise, so bear with me.

You want to run from the balanced output of your mixer to the input of the Driverack using either an XLR to XLR mic cable or a TRS to XLR cable. Make sure the input section on the back of the Driverack is set to +4db.....

If there's any question about balanced vs. unbalanced or your mixer doesn't have XLR outs, then send us a model number or picture and we'll get you down the right path.

If you already know this stuff....great. If not, let us help.

[Bruce Weldy]

Bruce? Looks to me this unit has the same " PeakPlus™ type limiters" that the Xti amps use

yeah, I saw that in the manual just now.....I was looking at it when you posted. That's almost the same name they use on the XLS models.....except they are PeakX....no plus. I still don't know if you can access the controls for the Peak Plus limiters on the front of the XTi or if you have to use Band Manager.

[RYNO20]

Turn the compressor off on all outputs.....highs, mids, lows. You'll only use two of those, but turn 'em all off.

You will be limiting the LOW output. In the limiter, turn off the over easy.

Do not use the dbx setup wizard. Set everything to CUSTOM.

I don't know your level of expertise, so bear with me.
Yes all xlr cables, it’s Allen and Heath zed 10
It has a switch on back for output also odd and -30dbu

You want to run from the balanced output of your mixer to the input of the Driverack using either an XLR to XLR mic cable or a TRS to XLR cable. Make sure the input section on the back of the Driverack is set to +4db.....

If there's any question about balanced vs. unbalanced or your mixer doesn't have XLR outs, then send us a model number or picture and we'll get you down the right path.

If you already know this stuff....great. If not, let us help.

Yes all balanced cable xlr, learning everything I can, didn’t use wizard made custom 2-way with mono sub, can I use the DBX pink noise generator? The one on iPad shuts off when using other screens? Will check +4db shortly , yup it’s set ok
My Allen & Heath ed10 has an output switch in Bach also 0dbu or -30 dbu? It’s set at 0dbu.

[RYNO20]

Start with Threshold all the way to the right, then you'll move it to the left until you're amps output voltage comes down to 60 volts.
Gain in the middle, 0dB
Ratio all the way to the right, Infinite.
OverEasy... uhhhhhhhhhmmm. Not sure about that one. Read the description in the manual. Not sure it's too important since you're not likely to be riding the limiter. Perhaps one of the guys who have used this unit will chime in.

Bruce? Looks to me this unit has the same " PeakPlus™ type limiters" that the Xti amps use (notice the trademark).
dbx DriveRack PA² Manual, limiter settings are on the page marked 44 (page 46 of the document)

Overly easy is explained in manual as a soft knee or hard knee for the cutoff of the limiter.
Any thoughts on how much amp I need for the Lab 15?
Currently using Peavey 1500 bridged @ 1,000 @ 8 ohm, but I have PV 900 also

[Seth]

Start with Threshold all the way to the right, then you'll move it to the left until you're amps output voltage comes down to 60 volts.
Gain in the middle, 0dB
Ratio all the way to the right, Infinite.
OverEasy... uhhhhhhhhhmmm. Not sure about that one. Read the description in the manual. Not sure it's too important since you're not likely to be riding the limiter. Perhaps one of the guys who have used this unit will chime in.

Bruce? Looks to me this unit has the same " PeakPlus™ type limiters" that the Xti amps use (notice the trademark).
dbx DriveRack PA² Manual, limiter settings are on the page marked 44 (page 46 of the document)

Overly easy is explained in manual as a soft knee or hard knee for the cutoff of the limiter.
Any thoughts on how much amp I need for the Lab 15?
Currently using Peavey 1500 bridged @ 1,000 @ 8 ohm, but I have PV 900 also

50 volts into 6 ohms is 416 watts

To calculate watts from volts... Volts times volts divided by ohms = watts
To calculate volts from watts... The square root of the product of watts times ohms = volts

Out of the amps you have, either one channel of your IPR2 3000 or the PV900 bridged.

[Seth]

I should probably give you an expectation modification warning.

Most peoples brains equate distortion to volume. Music that's being played beyond a typical systems capabilities will "sound" louder than a non-distorted system that is actually louder. Distortion is perceived as volume.

Your Titan will play clean bass. And your first impression may be that it's not as loud as what you're used to, because it wont have the distortion you're used to hearing. However, after listening to it for a week or two, you'll likely become quite accustomed to the phenomenal accuracy and solid yet silky smooth bottom end... that is, indeed, loud and clear.

Just something to be ready for.

[RYNO20]

I should probably give you an expectation modification warning.

Most peoples brains equate distortion to volume. Music that's being played beyond a typical systems capabilities will "sound" louder than a non-distorted system that is actually louder. Distortion is perceived as volume.

Your Titan will play clean bass. And your first impression may be that it's not as loud as what you're used to, because it wont have the distortion you're used to hearing. However, after listening to it for a week or two, you'll likely become quite accustomed to the phenomenal accuracy and solid yet silky smooth bottom end... that is, indeed, loud and clear.

Just something to be ready for.

Well then I will need to change my tops to bring in the new non distorted sounds.
My Db meter reads low 90’s when I’m feeling the great songs lol.
Thanks very much for the education.

[RYNO20]

Start with Threshold all the way to the right, then you'll move it to the left until you're amps output voltage comes down to 60 volts.
Gain in the middle, 0dB
Ratio all the way to the right, Infinite.
OverEasy... uhhhhhhhhhmmm. Not sure about that one. Read the description in the manual. Not sure it's too important since you're not likely to be riding the limiter. Perhaps one of the guys who have used this unit will chime in.

Bruce? Looks to me this unit has the same " PeakPlus™ type limiters" that the Xti amps use (notice the trademark).
dbx DriveRack PA² Manual, limiter settings are on the page marked 44 (page 46 of the document)

Overly easy is explained in manual as a soft knee or hard knee for the cutoff of the limiter.
Any thoughts on how much amp I need for the Lab 15?
Currently using Peavey 1500 bridged @ 1,000 @ 8 ohm, but I have PV 900 also

50 volts into 6 ohms is 416 watts

To calculate watts from volts... Volts times volts divided by ohms = watts
To calculate volts from watts... The square root of the product of watts times ohms = volts

Out of the amps you have, either one channel of your IPR2 3000 or the PV900 bridged.

Wow now that explains a lot, the fog is lifting

[Seth]

I should probably give you an expectation modification warning.

Most peoples brains equate distortion to volume. Music that's being played beyond a typical systems capabilities will "sound" louder than a non-distorted system that is actually louder. Distortion is perceived as volume.

Your Titan will play clean bass. And your first impression may be that it's not as loud as what you're used to, because it wont have the distortion you're used to hearing. However, after listening to it for a week or two, you'll likely become quite accustomed to the phenomenal accuracy and solid yet silky smooth bottom end... that is, indeed, loud and clear.

Just something to be ready for.

Well then I will need to change my tops to bring in the new non distorted sounds.
My Db meter reads low 90’s when I’m feeling the great songs lol.
Thanks very much for the education.

Low 90's is a reasonable volume. Do you know whether your meter indicates dBA or dBC? Should say somewhere on the unit or display screen.

[RYNO20]

I should probably give you an expectation modification warning.

Most peoples brains equate distortion to volume. Music that's being played beyond a typical systems capabilities will "sound" louder than a non-distorted system that is actually louder. Distortion is perceived as volume.

Your Titan will play clean bass. And your first impression may be that it's not as loud as what you're used to, because it wont have the distortion you're used to hearing. However, after listening to it for a week or two, you'll likely become quite accustomed to the phenomenal accuracy and solid yet silky smooth bottom end... that is, indeed, loud and clear.

Just something to be ready for.

Well then I will need to change my tops to bring in the new non distorted sounds.
My Db meter reads low 90’s when I’m feeling the great songs lol.
Thanks very much for the education.

Low 90's is a reasonable volume. Do you know whether your meter indicates dBA or dBC? Should say somewhere on the unit or display screen.

DBA
GOING To measure my current system for voltage at volume see what it is and keep learning
Oh yeah last side on