Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room) with t39 comparison at end

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Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room) with t39 comparison at end

#1 Post by MissileCrisis »

Notice the title, I can't express enough how much I want to try it in a bigger room with less annoying room modes. The only saving grace is the room doesn't have 2 dimensions that are the same (i.e. it's 10x13x8 length x width x height)
Sound quality is hard to judge when you're bass hotspot is far away from your high frequency suite spot so this will be entirely based on the low end reproduction and not how well it blends with the tops (TLAH).
Test setup
Digital (FLAC) audio streamed over HDMI to
AVR 1713 Denon reciever
--TLAH mains (calibrated using audyssey)
--Sub out to --
ART Cleanbox pro -> DCX 2496 -> GX3 (amplifier by QSC) feeding
T60 corner-loaded facing upwards in the opposite corner of where I'm sitting, approximately 7-8 feet.

Back to the review

What it sounds like: A deeper, more extension, version of the T39. It's extremely easy to push this thing to 115 dB measured where my desk is and at no time does the sub-woofer sound strained or slow. I have used a +5 dB boost at the cutoff frequency to attempt at flattening out the response and it does well.

It suffers slightly from the following problem:
Once you start really feeling the bass you get distracted by all the things in the room that are vibrating and what not. Thus the "distortion" in a sense is it will cleanly and without producing any actual THD destroy your room and likely scare your dishes across the house. In my experience I have never gotten bass so clean (at ~120 dB) that instead of the woofer distortion I hear the things on the walls and dresser rattling.

It scares me how easy it is to goose the gain because you don't realize how loud it is until you turn on the SPL meter.

Tests that I like to run for subwoofers:
Podracer scene Star Wars Episode 1 aka the fourth one made
Sebulba (big ugly orange podracer pilot) passing by sounds like a big pulse of air and the low bass is enormous on this section. Brings my MFW 15's to their knees but the T60 is fine with it (properly limited and HP of course)

Music (bass testing music)
Cat daddy - Rejectz Loudest song I testing, very intense, heart stopping loud yet clear
Jokers of the Scene - Baggy Bottom Boys - I'm so glad a forum member posted this song, extremely high volume and high Duty cycle (constant bass)
Tyga - everything he's come out with Lowest bass of the songs I mentioned, not as loud on the low notes (human hearing rolloff) but enough to shake the room

Martin Garrix - Animals Example EDM song, pounds like a concert and then you still have 6 dB headroom :)
Forum members song (DJ Higgumz) -> getting ziggy ----------- Into at 20-30 Hz makes the whole room vibrate. Dirty 40 Hz Modified sine wave gives you a feeling of panic, and the 70 Hz note hit some extremely high spl.

Actual Music (songs with detailed bass/HI-FI)
I played a couple rock songs, BT, spanish guitar tracks, Glitch Mob/eDIT, and my usual mix up and everything just sounds great, like you take the output of my two MFW 15's at half volume (low distortion) and then crank that up a few knobs. Very accurate e.g. when the bass hits, like a kick drum, it doesn't linger anymore than it is supposed to.

More testing to come when I have a different reference environment.
Last edited by MissileCrisis on Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:02 am, edited 2 times in total.
Built
2 x TLAH
1 Titan 39 (lab 12, 15 inch)
1 Tuba 60 (lab 12, 20 inch)
SLA Center
2 x Mini MLTP subwoofers
1 x 212 TH (custom)
2 x Mini-Karlsonators
Owned, but not built
2 x Jack 12 (2512, melded)

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Re: Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room)

#2 Post by sine143 »

hahahahah. BAGGY BOTTOM BOYS. that was my tune when I first built the t30s over 3 years ago.

now try this one

Built:
2x Tuba 30s delta12lf loaded (gone)
4x Otop12 d2512 loaded
8x t48s (18, 18, 24, 24, 30, 30) 3015lf loaded
2x AT (1 mcm, 1 gto 804)
2x SLA Pro (dayton pa6, 6 goldwood piezo loaded)
1x bastard XF208

2x OT212 (delta pro 450a loaded, eminence psd)

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Re: Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room)

#3 Post by MissileCrisis »

It turns out my room doesn't like <35 Hz :(
See attached. The response has 2 bands of EQ applied via the DCX (cutting at 46 Hz and boosting at 60ish based on measurement in REW) Note that this was done on a calibrated flat microphone.
response after 2 filters.jpg
Built
2 x TLAH
1 Titan 39 (lab 12, 15 inch)
1 Tuba 60 (lab 12, 20 inch)
SLA Center
2 x Mini MLTP subwoofers
1 x 212 TH (custom)
2 x Mini-Karlsonators
Owned, but not built
2 x Jack 12 (2512, melded)

sine143
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Re: Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room)

#4 Post by sine143 »

damn, where is your hipass at?
Built:
2x Tuba 30s delta12lf loaded (gone)
4x Otop12 d2512 loaded
8x t48s (18, 18, 24, 24, 30, 30) 3015lf loaded
2x AT (1 mcm, 1 gto 804)
2x SLA Pro (dayton pa6, 6 goldwood piezo loaded)
1x bastard XF208

2x OT212 (delta pro 450a loaded, eminence psd)

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Re: Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room)

#5 Post by MissileCrisis »

25 Hz butterworth 48 dB/octave.
Built
2 x TLAH
1 Titan 39 (lab 12, 15 inch)
1 Tuba 60 (lab 12, 20 inch)
SLA Center
2 x Mini MLTP subwoofers
1 x 212 TH (custom)
2 x Mini-Karlsonators
Owned, but not built
2 x Jack 12 (2512, melded)

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Re: Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room)

#6 Post by sine143 »

loosen up your slope to 24 db/oct. maybe raise it 1 to 2 hz if you plan on slamming 50 volts long term.
Built:
2x Tuba 30s delta12lf loaded (gone)
4x Otop12 d2512 loaded
8x t48s (18, 18, 24, 24, 30, 30) 3015lf loaded
2x AT (1 mcm, 1 gto 804)
2x SLA Pro (dayton pa6, 6 goldwood piezo loaded)
1x bastard XF208

2x OT212 (delta pro 450a loaded, eminence psd)

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Re: Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room)

#7 Post by MissileCrisis »

sine143 wrote:loosen up your slope to 24 db/oct. maybe raise it 1 to 2 hz if you plan on slamming 50 volts long term.
This is my room, haha, I'll definitely raise it to 30 Hz if I plan on setting it to 24 db/oct long term (high voltage). While my parents are home I get about 3 volts to play with.

*Just set it to 24 dB/oct.
Built
2 x TLAH
1 Titan 39 (lab 12, 15 inch)
1 Tuba 60 (lab 12, 20 inch)
SLA Center
2 x Mini MLTP subwoofers
1 x 212 TH (custom)
2 x Mini-Karlsonators
Owned, but not built
2 x Jack 12 (2512, melded)

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Re: Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room)

#8 Post by sine143 »

I say 24 db slope because 48 is just unnecessary. It offers little extra protection, while it does take away from the low end extension. It can also be a cause of "filter ringing" allegedly, although I cant say I've heard it myself, i will say that after running 48 db slopes on everything (cause moar filter is better right?) for almost a year with t30s, and later t48s, I was very pleased when I loosened the hp filter, and subsituted my 48db lopass for a 24db, or 18 db even.
Built:
2x Tuba 30s delta12lf loaded (gone)
4x Otop12 d2512 loaded
8x t48s (18, 18, 24, 24, 30, 30) 3015lf loaded
2x AT (1 mcm, 1 gto 804)
2x SLA Pro (dayton pa6, 6 goldwood piezo loaded)
1x bastard XF208

2x OT212 (delta pro 450a loaded, eminence psd)

Boyd
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Re: Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room)

#9 Post by Boyd »

I also started of with a 48db/oct HPF slope on my T48's. I ended up changing this to -24db/oct, and adding a parametric EQ cut centered at 20Hz, about -12db, and just wide enough not to effect 40Hz (my thoughts being that this would give an initial slope of -24db, approaching -36db/oct at lower freq.

I like the sound of this a lot better.
Built:

2x Titan 48 18" wide 3012LF loaded
2x Otop 12 J-Array 3012HO Melded

Building:

2x Titan 48 36" 3015LF

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Re: Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room)

#10 Post by MissileCrisis »

Now just imagine if you had a herd of T60, and you could HP at 25 safely :) I'm sure you would love what you're hearing even more.
Built
2 x TLAH
1 Titan 39 (lab 12, 15 inch)
1 Tuba 60 (lab 12, 20 inch)
SLA Center
2 x Mini MLTP subwoofers
1 x 212 TH (custom)
2 x Mini-Karlsonators
Owned, but not built
2 x Jack 12 (2512, melded)

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Re: Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room)

#11 Post by sine143 »

oh we would. Very much. but thats why we I've got 6 t48s, and a nice 35 hz hipass. just need to bump the amps up, and bump the cabs up so that I can put even more emphasis on the low end.

I cant fit a t60 in any cars I have available to me, much less 6 of them (since they are less sensitive than the t48 below 40hz).
Built:
2x Tuba 30s delta12lf loaded (gone)
4x Otop12 d2512 loaded
8x t48s (18, 18, 24, 24, 30, 30) 3015lf loaded
2x AT (1 mcm, 1 gto 804)
2x SLA Pro (dayton pa6, 6 goldwood piezo loaded)
1x bastard XF208

2x OT212 (delta pro 450a loaded, eminence psd)

byacey
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Re: Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room)

#12 Post by byacey »

Sort of like killing mice with a 12 gauge. :D

That's a lot of sub for a small room.
Built
T48s
WH8s
SX212

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Re: Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room)

#13 Post by MissileCrisis »

I decided which part of Hoffman's Iron law I could live with because loud and low are #1 priorities, size is a variable. Regardless it will mostly be used for gigs and other "loud" events. In my house at school my twin 15 inch subs will cover the day to day bass, with the T60 being a bench seat.
Built
2 x TLAH
1 Titan 39 (lab 12, 15 inch)
1 Tuba 60 (lab 12, 20 inch)
SLA Center
2 x Mini MLTP subwoofers
1 x 212 TH (custom)
2 x Mini-Karlsonators
Owned, but not built
2 x Jack 12 (2512, melded)

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Re: Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room)

#14 Post by MissileCrisis »

Picture for size reference
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Built
2 x TLAH
1 Titan 39 (lab 12, 15 inch)
1 Tuba 60 (lab 12, 20 inch)
SLA Center
2 x Mini MLTP subwoofers
1 x 212 TH (custom)
2 x Mini-Karlsonators
Owned, but not built
2 x Jack 12 (2512, melded)

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Re: Tuba 60 (in a 10x13 room)

#15 Post by 88h88 »

sine143 wrote:hahahahah. BAGGY BOTTOM BOYS. that was my tune when I first built the t30s over 3 years ago.

now try this one

Baggy Bottom Boys is a great track. I also bought that Vivek EP and it's SILLY low. It's like a great big warm bass bath.
4xOT12s, 2xT39s@22", TTLS@18", 2xT60@18"

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