SLA Pros and 24" T-24 Duallys

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SLA Pros and 24" T-24 Duallys

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(Webmaster - I'm photo-posting challenged. Feel free to alter/delete images or text as you see fit.)

Built these for my son's band. A lot of fun and a great way to connect to your kid at any age (he's 21). 24" cubes with two BP102-4's in each, wired for an 8 ohm cabinet. Tops are SLA Pros and their clarity at a distance is amazing.

If I was doing it over again I would have done a Lab 12 T39 over the two T24s. After the first sub was done I actually asked this forum if the next one should also be a T24 or cut my losses and do a T39.

All said to do a T39. Bad form to not follow advice when you've solicited it, but I didn't want to build a third sub, so that would have left me with one T24 and one T39. Additionally, I would have wanted to reuse my already purchased 10" 4 ohm drivers so the T39 would have to be a dually as well if I wanted an 8 ohm cab. That's starting to become a fairly large cab. And I would have been left with only one T24 when they're meant to be used in pairs.

A few minor goofs here and there but generally went together pretty well.

Recommendations to newbies from one of your own kind (only other thing I'd done even remotely close to these is the workbench and cabinet shown in the photos).

1. Follow the plans. Stop asking if this driver or that driver would be an acceptable substitution, or if you can use waferboard wood instead, or would it be okay to ... whatever. If it was okay BFM would have put it in the plans. If you follow the plans you end up with a great PA you (or your son in my case) will enjoy for years.

2. Use Duratex (and buy it, and everything else you can from Leland at speakerhardware.com). It's so easy, looks great, and you can touch up spots as needed over the years. Don't know why anyone would want to wrestle with carpet. (But a nod to those of you who do it, carpet looks great.)

3. Use screws to hold panels together while they dry and consider not removing them. I couldn't see any point. I only removed outside screws prior to finishing.

4. Really consider not going with duallys. If you believe you need the power of a dually consider stepping up to the next bigger sub instead. On retrospect the only advantage I see to building duallys over singles was only having to build two cabs instead of four. Singles give you much more flexability for transport, smalls rooms or big rooms, etc.

5. Speakon connectors are worth the extra cost. You can make your own cables easily and if you do make them two channel. Makes hooking them up a no brainer and less cords to manage to boot.

6. Don't go with a cheap router like I did. Buy something used off Craigslist with more HP than something new from the store with less power.

I'll add more over time if I think of other stuff. Thanks to Bill and the rest of you for answering my questions when I had them. And especially to Leland at speakerhardware.com who was great about returns when I'd ordered the wrong stuff, advice when I didn't know what to do, and assurance that it'll all come together just fine.

Image SLA Pro under construction. Notice barrel holes for tweeters aren't centered in the array. Swore I wouldn't make that mistake again on the second one. Of course I did. Still not sure how I missed it twice.

Image One SLA Pro finished, one under construction.

Image Close up of the finished one minus its grill.

Image The completed tops. I mounted their top hats on opposite ends so when they're on their poles they'll be mirror images of each other.

Image Baffle Pic 1 of 2 of a T24 under construction.

Image Pic 2 of 2.

Image A rat maze for very tall rats? Tops were 3/8" baltic birch and the subs were 1/2" BB.

Image Pic 1 of 3 showing bracing. I used leftover 3/8" BB scrap from the tops for the braces. (Plans give the okay for it.) For some reason I had a ridiculously hard time cutting and fitting them. Sometimes its the supposed easy things that can be most difficult. You'll see I cut the classic BFM handholds into the showing braces. Surprisingly useful for wiggling the T24s into position.

Image Pic 2 of 3.

Image Pic 3 of 3.

Image Pic 1 of 2 of first T24 being sealed up.

Image Pic 2 of 2.

Image This is the second sub. Notice the white horizontal band on the front panel. That's Bondo where I joined two smaller pieces together. Didn't want to buy another sheet of BB ply for one panel. Of course if I hadn't miscut the piece of wood I was going to use, I wouldn't have had to do that.

Image Fitting the hardware on a sub.

Image The first T24 is finished. I touched up the Duratex after I took the picture. Notice it doesn't have any side handles. More on that below.

Image As shown on Bill's site, T24's can be stacked mouth to mouth which was the plan all along. But with a dually that's a wider box for one person to get their arms around and pretty heavy as well. So I thought I'd add spring loaded side handles to them to make it easier for two people to flip one on top of the other.

Image The handles are placed so low because I didn't want to put screws anywhere where I couldn't fix a leak if they caused one. Not likely, but it'd be just my luck ... Also didn't want a handle on the access panel.

Image Driver chamber prior to adding gasket tape to the flanges.

Image A trial stacking. I rounded all the edges except those framing the mouth. I imagine those edges will get banged up a bit when the cabs are being stacked so didn't want to remove any material from there. (Apologies for the large white margins on some of these photos.)

Image Pic 1 of 3 of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

Image Pic 2 of 3. Yes I know it shows even less detail than the previous one so why did I bother posting it? Because I've read here and there that one can "never post too many pics".

Image Pic 3 of 3. Subs now coupled under (drop down) workbench.

Image Went with pretty heavy duty hardware to try and make the cabinets unbreakable for my son.

Image Fitting the V coupler plate.

Image Finished! Hard to see but the V coupler is attached to the side of the stack for moving and storage. (And for any Phoenix area residents, that's my U of Oregon Ducks beating up on your Sun Devils in the background.)

Image Completed subs configured for sound check. I put the Speakon jacks on in such away that when the subs are tipped on their sides for V coupling, the cables of both of them are low to the ground and hopefully less of a tripping hazard.

Image Finally(!) my 5' 2" daughter standing on the T24s and playing Vanna White with the SLA Pros in a photo greeting to her brother telling him they're finished. A really great experience all around.
Last edited by ajdroid on Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:35 am, edited 2 times in total.
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#2 Post by Bas Gooiker »

This thrad has it all... build pics, advise, practical ideas and ofcourse the very important "pretty girl showing of the finished product pic" Wich in my opinion should be mandatory for any good build thread. 8)

Has your son used it yet?
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#3 Post by Grant Bunter »

:clap: :clap: :clap:

I totally agree with Bas!

Excellent results all round :)
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#4 Post by doncolga »

What a great thread man! Applause! I'd love to build that rig.
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#5 Post by Chris_Allen »

Yeah, the T24 are often overlooked since you get more from the pack space of a T39 but they are very capable cab by all accounts.

Build looks really good, looks like you could get all the speakers in a venue in one go.

I'm quite keen to build some SLA's next year, maybe even some T24 duallies and have exactly the same portable rig. My BP102 T39s are often more than enough, so the T24's should suit me nicely.

Good build and welcome to the forum and the world of BFM.

Please get your lad to write a review and take more pictures. Make him include how bloody lucky he is to have you build him a rig!
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#6 Post by LelandCrooks »

Well done. :clap:
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ajdroid wrote: Recommendations to newbies from one of your own kind (only other thing I'd done even remotely close to these is the workbench and cabinet shown in the photos).

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Much wisdom here for those new to the BFM world!

Nice work, nice documentation, and nice of you to do this for your son!
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#8 Post by ewetho »

Cool little rig. Very effective. Now how about a second set for larger venues.........


Seriously though nice work.

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#9 Post by ajdroid »

Bas Gooiker wrote:Has your son used it yet?
Hi Bas. Thanks for the kind words. He hasn't used them in a gig yet; when he does I'll ask him to post a review. Before turning them over I was driving them with a typical consumer home stereo receiver in the garage for testing and was very, very pleased for it only being about 10-12 volts.
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Wow, very clean build and nice rig! :clap: :clap: :clap:

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#11 Post by shawn_g »

Looks great! Really nice work.

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#12 Post by dougc »

Nice job! Your son will never tire from hearing people tell him how amazing they sound.

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#13 Post by DJ Nada »

I'm in the process of building almost exactly the same thing. Does it have enough bass?

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DJ Nada wrote:Does it have enough bass?
:loler:

Nice rig you put together there Ajdroid! Serious thump. 8)
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#15 Post by ajdroid »

DJ Nada wrote:I'm in the process of building almost exactly the same thing. Does it have enough bass?
Hi DJ - For its size quite it has quite a bit. I think most though are of the opinion that the T39 will get you more bang for your buck. Normally you'd choose Tuba's over Titans if you need the lows to go a bit lower. But if you're only building 2 T24's you're not going below 45Hz anyways which I think is what a T39 is crossed at.

Best of luck to you!

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