Comparing 2 drivers

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Bas Gooiker
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Comparing 2 drivers

#1 Post by Bas Gooiker »

How can you use the TS parameters to compare 2 different drivers to see in wich way they differ or compare. Which are the most important parameters exept ofcourse diameter, resistance, x-max etc. for use in horn loaded cabinets. And do the same rules apply for direct radiators like the sla's or mtm part of the david?

Brand Model *Vas *Qts *Fs *Sens *Pmax *Xmax
Visaton W200S4 *65l *0.3 *30hz *88db *75 *10mm http://www.visaton.de/de/chassis_zubeho ... 00s_4.html
Brand Model *Vas *Qts *Fs *Sens *Pmax *Xmax
MCM55-2421 *30l *0.22 *27hz* 87dB *120 *8mm http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/M ... 1-/55-2421

Just trying to learn to understand the theory behind it. :?:


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#3 Post by Bas Gooiker »

I read the page you recommended... but im still not entirely sure i understand what the most important parameters are when comparing 2 woofers... :confused:
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#4 Post by Gregory East »

Not familiar with Pmax. The rest of the specs look quite ok but if Pmax is Pe there could be trouble from heat rather than mechanical limit.

Bill's tops use drivers with Eminence "trademark" rising response in the upper mids. The response of the cab depends on having that bump.
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#5 Post by Bas Gooiker »

this is for the David Floorstander, so eminence is not involved in this build... but how do i recognise "rising" responce?
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#6 Post by Michael Ewald Hansen »

Bas Gooiker wrote:this is for the David Floorstander, so eminence is not involved in this build... but how do i recognise "rising" responce?
This is the freq response of the Deltalite 2512 - see the rising response? :)
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#7 Post by Bas Gooiker »

Gregory East wrote:Not familiar with Pmax. The rest of the specs look quite ok but if Pmax is Pe there could be trouble from heat rather than mechanical limit.
This was a copy from the thielesmall.com database. Pmax in this case means max power output inWatt, which ofcourse is not really important in this case.

but xmax, Fs & vd can be seen as most important for woofers inside horns, with rising responce for mid woofers or am i jumping to conclusions here.
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#8 Post by Gregory East »

Bass horns need Qts in correct range. Otherwise I think you have it.
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#9 Post by SeisTres »

Response of a driver in a horn enclosure gets really weird once the parameters start changing. It might be that different combination of certain parameters give you relatively the same response, but the horn play a HUGE part on this. Direct radiating designs are more simple to predict the response without having to model the speaker. However, for horns, it's best to simply model the horn and then start playing with the drivers to see which one gives what.

Hornresp is completely free and it's the best tool to show what's happening in a horn. Of course, all this is for theory as you specified. If you need to choose a driver for the actual build then simply compare the t/s specs of different drivers and choose the one that is most similar to intended driver.
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