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I've posted a few times before about the sound system at my church, trying to improve here and there. The existing system was.. well.. poorly implemented. The FOH cab was an OAP 12"/Horn box, and while it certainly wasn't the most horrible thing I've ever heard, it was a poor fit in the room from day one, and an even poorer fit after we rearranged the seating. Over half the seats in the room were out of the pattern of the HF horn, and it was generally pretty muddy. However... a "professional" did the install, and a rather large amount of money was paid for that install (fifteen years ago) so we've made it work.

Then we had a lightning strike, and all the electronics died. :hyper:

To make a long story short... insurance provided sufficient funds to redo the system (and remodel the church, as there was some water damage). There were several design goals:

1. Add a sub. I had creatively engineered a sub out of an old Peavey 15 bass cab.... but it was.. well... less than optimal.
2. Improve coverage and clarity - Previously, over half the seating was in poor HF coverage, and high mids spattered all over and made it muddy.
3. Increase gain before feedback - the system has always run right on the edge of feedback due to the very close proximity of both FOH and monitors to the mics.
4. Improve the aesthetics of the room - the existing FOH speaker was flown dead center and the ceiling isn't that high at 12 feet. The wedge monitors are also always in the way, and don't match the new floor.

To accomplish these goals, after carefully considering each of the plans on the CD, I chose a pair of SLA Pro cabinets for main speakers, and a pair of half height SLA Pros for stage monitors. The sub is a slightly modified T30 - the height is shortened by one inch to make it fit in an abandoned furnace return duct. I asked forum member Brew to help me with these, as I need to retain the use of my fingers to play the piano, and I have to say he did an excellent job. The finish work is just as good as the OAP cab that came down, if not better. The FOH pair is built with four Dayton PA-6 mid drivers and two Dayton PT2C-8 ribbon tweeters each. The monitors have two mid drivers and four Goldwood 1005 piezos. This arrangement has worked out wonderfully. We finished the install about an hour before Wednesday service. I didn't have much time to tune, but service went on without any major problems. I returned today and tuned the system (only 3 or 4 parametric EQ adjustments were required) and now it's perfect. Even without the tuning, I heard nothing but positive comments... people commented on the clarity and better volume (which I translate to mean "less harsh"), and plenty of comments about the aesthetics (these things matter in a church).

As for the new monitors... the singers had always complained about the monitors being too loud.. this was harshness, not volume. When I turned them down, they couldn't hear. This had to be fixed... the new cabs keep the sound on stage even across the entire stage and choir, and they are EQd to be a little more forward in the vocal range than FOH, making the monitoring experience perfect. Everybody's happy now.

Thanks, Bill for the designs, and Bruce, for the great work!

Here's before and after:

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:clap: Good looking cabs! Very studious and smart looking install.

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Great execution. I assume the duct cover was only removed for the photo. I'm excited for you.
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Gauss wrote:Great execution. I assume the duct cover was only removed for the photo. I'm excited for you.
Yes... we replaced the old vent cover (which would have rattled badly) with a fabric frame, visible in one of the photos.
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I didn't even see them in the second picture until I saw where they were in the third. Very snazzy looking.
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Great job, guys! :clap:
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The sub is so well hidden, nobody will notice it is even there. Makes people wonder: all that wonderful bass from such small cabs. Gotta love omnidirectional lows.

Great work Brent :clap:

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#8 Post by J_Dunavin »

Where is the Tuba located in the room?
Anyway beautiful install!!
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J_Dunavin wrote:Where is the Tuba located in the room?
Anyway beautiful install!!
Looks like in the second photo titled 'back of room' it's in the left corner above the door, pretty much under the left chandelier in the photo.
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J_Dunavin wrote:Where is the Tuba located in the room?
Anyway beautiful install!!
Look at the last picture, "L Main and Sub" and notice the grill in place above the door. As I mentioned, this was an old furnace return duct, but it the only place available to corner load, and it's worked out beautifully. The bass is nice and even throughout the room, except for one minor 80hz room mode bump in the middle of the seating, which isn't a problem.
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#11 Post by J_Dunavin »

Wow I didn't even see that one! Super Stealth, LOVE IT!
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J_Dunavin wrote:Wow I didn't even see that one! Super Stealth, LOVE IT!
It's not so stealth when you turn it up to 11. Rattles the whole building. :hyper: :chainsaw:
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nice... a church install I did a couple weeks ago...
I hid a T39 behind the projector screen (screen is in the corner)
Worked perfectly.
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An addendum to the review...

So I'm sitting in service this morning during preaching and the sound keeps dropping out. I'm looking all over in the system trying to find the problem... then I realize... it's only dropping when he bends over the pulpit and the lav disappears into his coat... all the HF goes away.... nothing changed from before, but I can hear it now, thanks to the new speakers.

So... I guess I now have to have a word with the pastor about mic placement. :noob:
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#15 Post by Tom Smit »

Perhaps he could pin the mic on his lapel (when he wears a jacket) or the shirt pocket or to the side of his robe (if he wears one).
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