1st timer from Boston, MA

[sprsho]

Stumbled across this page on looking to get better bass outside. I'm thinking about building a tuba 30. I have a Eclipse sub that I would like to use. Where would be the best place to ask if it would work? I still have the manual, and all the specs for it..

Thank you,
Brian

[DJPhatman]

Welcome to the forum!

The best place to start is to tell us what you are trying to accomplish. You typed

looking to get better bass outside

But, you give nothing specific. Is this for DJing, a band, home theater, listening to music in your back yard, etc. Also, how big an area? How many people? How loud to you want/need? Give us a better idea of what you are wanting, please.

[sprsho]

Sorry to be so vague.. My current set up is a Dell laptop running windows 7, with itunes, and mixvibes program for mixing. Also right now I have 2 Cerwin Vega VS-120 speakers for my front stage. They are running off of a Behringer A500 amp.

I am mostly dj-ing a few outside summer parties to a 21-40's age group, so it will be today's music, all the way back to some classic rock. Also will be doing some inside parties in the fall/winter usually inside of small venues like Knight of Columbus, VFW, Son's of Italy. Never more than 200 people.

My budget is very limited, considering I have a house, and the greatest 2.5 yr old son.

I was thinking a tuba-30 (or two) would suit my needs as I have a Eclipse SW8200 raw 4ohm sub that I'm hoping would fit the bill. Also I would be running whatever I build off of a older MTX Thunder2300 amp, which was a beast of an amp back in the day.

I have been doing some searching though and it looks like the tuba-30 needs a sub with a somewhat high Fs, and the Eclipse has a Fs of 16Hz

Lead me in the right direction please guys!!!

Thanks a million.

P.S. Bass is really important to me, I really feel it leaves a big impression on people!

[el_ingeniero]

Sorry to be so vague.. My current set up is a Dell laptop running windows 7, with itunes, and mixvibes program for mixing. Also right now I have 2 Cerwin Vega VS-120 speakers for my front stage. They are running off of a Behringer A500 amp.

I am mostly dj-ing a few outside summer parties to a 21-40's age group, so it will be today's music, all the way back to some classic rock. Also will be doing some inside parties in the fall/winter usually inside of small venues like Knight of Columbus, VFW, Son's of Italy. Never more than 200 people.

My budget is very limited, considering I have a house, and the greatest 2.5 yr old son.

I was thinking a tuba-30 (or two) would suit my needs as I have a Eclipse SW8200 raw 4ohm sub that I'm hoping would fit the bill. Also I would be running whatever I build off of a older MTX Thunder2300 amp, which was a beast of an amp back in the day.

I have been doing some searching though and it looks like the tuba-30 needs a sub with a somewhat high Fs, and the Eclipse has a Fs of 16Hz

Lead me in the right direction please guys!!!

Thanks a million.

P.S. Bass is really important to me, I really feel it leaves a big impression on people!

The Eclipse driver is a 3 Ohm piece. Qts is fine, but as you say Fs is lower than you want. The MTX amp is a car audio amp. Sell both and use the $$$ to buy a driver that meets the specs, then use a cheap crossover to run both your tops off one channel of the A500 and the subs off the other.

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

the Eclipse has a Fs of 16Hz

That's too low for any of our cabs other than the THT, and that's a poor choice for music.

[Tom Smit]

First of all, welcome to the forum! Ask away....much goodly advice here. And pssst, you may have to relearn some stuff.

For using subs outside, you'll need at least two for each top. So that would make a total of four for your setup. I have heard four T30s that were v-plated and they sounded real good. You need that many just to get a solid sound since bass is more difficult to reproduce.


Your MTX amp will get you started but later you should get a bigger amp. Oh, and a proper crossover.

I don't know about the driver, it may work but we don't know how well. As you can see, Bill as answered. It's recommended to pick the drivers as per the plans rather than use what's on hand.

Bummer. I haven't been too encouraging, huh?

Keep asking.

[sprsho]

Thanks for all the info, and quick replys!!

So so far it sounds like a tuba-30 (or four) will suit my needs?

In that case I will buy the plans for them, unless you guys think I should build a diffrent model??

Thanks again!

On a side note, I'd hate to get rid of the Eclipse, maybe I'll someday build a plexiglass box for it, because the thing is so damn impressive to look at!

[Dan30]

Thanks for all the info, and quick replys!!

So so far it sounds like a tuba-30 (or four) will suit my needs?

In that case I will buy the plans for them, unless you guys think I should build a diffrent model??

Thanks again!

On a side note, I'd hate to get rid of the Eclipse, maybe I'll someday build a plexiglass box for it, because the thing is so damn impressive to look at!

I don't think that sub would fit in the driver chamber in any of Bill's designs. It looks faaaar too deep. Maybe it's just the picture though.

[DJPhatman]

I don't think that sub would fit in the driver chamber in any of Bill's designs. It looks faaaar too deep.

+1

A pair of Omnitop 112 Kappa-lite 3012HO loaded, and a pair of 16" wide T39s Kappa-lite 3012LF loaded will do everything you need. Since you don't play much electronic music, you don't need the lower extension of the T30. Add in an XTi4000 amp, with the tops on one side of the amp and the subs on the other. You didn't mention a mixing console. Do you have a mixer? Id so, does it have XLR or 1/4" TRS outs?

[el_ingeniero]

Your MTX amp will get you started but later you should get a bigger amp.

The MTX is a car amp, unless I'm deeply mistaken. He'll need to rig a 6 to 10 amp 12V power supply.

[el_ingeniero]

I don't think that sub would fit in the driver chamber in any of Bill's designs. It looks faaaar too deep.

+1

A pair of Omnitop 112 Kappa-lite 3012HO loaded, and a pair of 16" wide T39s Kappa-lite 3012LF loaded will do everything you need. Since you don't play much electronic music, you don't need the lower extension of the T30. Add in an XTi4000 amp, with the tops on one side of the amp and the subs on the other. You didn't mention a mixing console. Do you have a mixer? Id so, does it have XLR or 1/4" TRS outs?

+1, except he could easily get by with an Xti2000 amp, which delivers more than enough juice to push 4 Kappalites as loud as they can get.

[Mikey]

Obviously, your current system can't cut the mustard for 200 people. Far from it. Your tops, subs, and amp are completely inadequate. Please don't misunderstand ... I'm not criticizing, just being real, in order to be helpful.

For most of us, it all comes down to budget, and it seems that you're in the same boat. If you can tell us what you're willing to spend for an amp, a pair of tops, and a pair of subs, we'll have a much better idea of what to recommend. Bear in mind that once you have this system completed, you'll have quite a bit of your old gear to sell, which will help you recoupe some of the money you'll be spending on the new system.

How are your woodworking skills?

Do you have the necessary woodworking tools?

Do you have a good place to build, like a garage?

Are you in a time crunch to get this system up and running for a particular gig?

[sprsho]

Hey guys,

Thanks for all your information. I have to be honest though I really just want to add some bass to my current set up.

To answer a couple of your questions..

1. yes the MTX is a car amp.. I was going to hook it up to a pretty robust redundant computer power supply capable of 550w. I know it sounds rigged, or ghetto, but it was really all I had to work with, and i have seen many people do this without any issues.

2. I do have wood working skills, and if need be my wife's father is a carpenter.

3. I do have my own garage, which is one of the reasons I don't have the $$ for new amps, tops, and subs... (mortgage comes first)

4. It seems you all are know recommending a titan-39, if that is the case I will do one of those, as I am sure it will prove to have more bass out put than the JBL home theater 12" sub I have been using.

5. My mixer is a USB piece that right now is (doing the job)

Can someone provide a link to the sub/subs that will work in a T-39 please?

Thanks again all

[Bruce Weldy]

Here's the link to the best place to buy all your parts. Leland's kits have everything you need and is cheaper than you can find anywhere else. Use either the 3012LF or the LAB driver and you'll be happy as a pig in slop.

http://www.speakerhardware.com/t39_kit-KT39Kit.php

[el_ingeniero]

Can someone provide a link to the sub/subs that will work in a T-39 please?

Thanks again all

On the first page of the plans, budget and premium options are given.