The Germans must be reading Bill's plans

[Steve Regier]

'Happy to see you like the tool. Just wait until you get the jigsaw. You'll wonder what the# $%&$$# you have been doing before. I have recently devized a method for making greater than 45 degree cuts. It is a bit rough but seems to do quite well. I set the saw to a 45 degree angle and then place a piece of 3/4 stock under the outboard edge of the rail slilding it towards the saw end while measuring the angle with a roofing square or protractor. Once the desired angle is reached make the cut. I can do this quickly and accuately without dragging out my vertical zig.

[bean438]

I am eyeing the jig saw as my next project is the THT which requires a 15" or so hole. The festool jigsaw would be great for this with the circle cutting jig.

What is 3/4 stock, a 1X ? 1X8? I know nothing about wood other than 2x, and plywood.

Never used a roofing square before. I was thinking on setting the saw to 45, and get one of them digital angle guages. Slid the 1X until I get angle needed.

I cut vertically and it worked great except for the saw slip. 90 minus 63 equals 27.

How would you calculate your angle ? 45 plus 18 to get a 63 degree cut? So you slide the 1x until the guide rail sits at 18 degrees?

[bigjohn1]

Hi All, For the guys with festools and think its better then the ez-track your wrong just because you spent more don't make it better and if you would look into it a little further you would see it's a full system in most ways better out come then festool. Yes like all companies they have good and bad tools from what I see and hear there routers rocks the new 2200 that is. So just don't tell other to forget about it and save your money when you have a track saw of your own and they both do the same thing just not the same price. Best tool for the job thats it bottom line I would think. I think all the track saws look great Ez-Track, Dewalt, Festool, Makita.
Festool has been out for 25 years so yes they were the first. Guess its like ford out first but is it the best? I would love to have one but cant see the price on there tools. Just look at the router 2200 900.00 Canadian wow. The ratchet wrench to tighten the bit is cool. But come on really you can find a good one for 300 bucks. So I think its like this Makita has the saws that rock and others Im sure. Festool has Routers and a nice looking dust collection.

[bean438]

Festool ius more than expensive tools.

The dust collection is simply amazing. How much saw dust do you have to clean up after using the eztrack? There is virtually none with the festool saw.

I have a very nice router, picked it up for 125 bucks. It is a very messy tool. Festool router is very clean.

You have to use festool for yourself and decide. I am hooked.

[bigjohn1]

Festool ius more than expensive tools.

The dust collection is simply amazing. How much saw dust do you have to clean up after using the eztrack? There is virtually none with the festool saw.

I have a very nice router, picked it up for 125 bucks. It is a very messy tool. Festool router is very clean.

You have to use festool for yourself and decide. I am hooked.

Eurekazone are working or have a way to match that in there own way. There are videos on it just go and have a look around at there sight. They have ways to make any vacuum work its not just because it's festool who made it .But I like there vacs also look kool setup that is.

[subharmonic]

Hi All, For the guys with festools and think its better then the ez-track your wrong just because you spent more don't make it better and if you would look into it a little further you would see it's a full system in most ways better out come then festool.

I agreed that EZ has a good system I was close to buying one, their table looks awesome but at $1500 for it it is a bit spendy. For me the Festool/Makita comes down to the angle cuts. EZ just doesn't touch them on that, for titans and tubas with efficiency you need fast easy and accurate angle cuts.

[bigjohn1]

I agreed that EZ has a good system I was close to buying one, their table looks awesome but at $1500 for it it is a bit spendy. For me the Festool/Makita comes down to the angle cuts. EZ just doesn't touch them on that, for titans and tubas with efficiency you need fast easy and accurate angle cuts.[/quote]

I don't know if thats true or not. I think it can be made to work better then it does for the speaker guys.
Also the Table is on sale now 1200.00. Still high and that will change I'm sure
One more thing it has better stronger rail then the other three. For support and price you just can't beat them.
I also thing the bevel at this time is there weak spot but there is enough BFM guys there now so they my
work on it. There is no reason why festool and the others should cut a better bevel cut then EZ can.
I dont care what ever works for each person is fine with me. But for the little guy to do this well is
a great thing to happen and there price is better also on most items. Its hard to market like the big guys
and they do look good . I would love a festool for free but not spending what they want and thats only the start
all there toys are double most of the comp. There good not that good. I see there 2200 router looks good but wow 900.00 bucks here
In Canada I know easy has a fix for the bevel cut if used a lot you will need to add a piece of plywood to the base I think not sure.
I'm not a pro wood or cabinet maker but I know what looks good and they have my first look now to cutting wood Ideas.

[subharmonic]

Its all about making your measurement marks, lining up the rail and cutting. No guessing what angle will land where and eyeballing it in. IMSHO. That was the selling point. Plus a bitching saw itself.

[bigjohn1]

Its all about making your measurement marks, lining up the rail and cutting. No guessing what angle will land where and eyeballing it in. IMSHO. That was the selling point. Plus a bitching saw itself.

Yes I must say it looks and cuts great. All there stuff looks great some are small strange attacments for pro stuff. But they do have a following after 25 years and the first to make a track saw.

[Steve Regier]

BigJohn1 are you a sales rep for EZ because you sure sound like one. Switch to defaf, my friend.

[bigjohn1]

Baron, Not sure what the short for means but no I'm not a sales man for any of them.
just looking for a good value for the money. I'm on a disability so the money is a big
Item for me. I have spoke with owners of each and they have said. One thing or another
is better with this one then that one. But they all get the job done. Then there are some
that would never give up there unisaw or table saw for nobody.

I guess its because there the small guy with a not bad system. We all have the option to pick what one we like and regret or not later. They just happen to be the one I picked and I think for good reason for now. That may change.

[ewetho]

Lets face it guys if you can't swing the Festool Price you have to do what you have to do. I borrow Steve's at his place. The thing about the Festool is if you can swing it the integration of all the features at once from the beginning is the key to it. Will all the other attachments for vacuum and the EZ and whatever else all work together on your saw?
Who Knows.

What I do know now is they have a PROFESSIONAL following that is hard to beat in a related industry to what we are trying to do here. They pay the cash because it has to right.

With a saw that will not maintain a constant cut line it cannot match what we are so enamored with on the Festool TS55 or 75. That is the brilliance. EZ cannot maintain this because the saw won't. At that rate Bill's included plans for the Jig should be adequate. And even then you coul make ones at different angles to make it exact. But now you got all kinds of rails. Not ONE.

[jswingchun]

I wish this hadn't all come back up again, and I swore I would stay out but I have to make a couple of comments...

Will all the other attachments for vacuum and the EZ and whatever else all work together on your saw? Who Knows.

If your saw isn't an absolute toy piece of junk, yes it will work together. Even if you have to buy a new saw it will be way cheaper than buying a FT saw. FT plunge saw versus regular circular saw is a matter of preference.

What I do know now is they have a PROFESSIONAL following that is hard to beat in a related industry to what we are trying to do here. They pay the cash because it has to right.

If "because the professionals use it" is a valid reason to buy something, then why build DIY PA cabinets? Most sound professionals that "have to do it right" are buying cabs we know to be inferior from testing and comparing. If "because professionals use it" were a valid reason to buy PA cabs, you should research the most popular cabs among pros at your level and buy them.

With a saw that will not maintain a constant cut line it cannot match what we are so enamored with on the Festool TS55 or 75. That is the brilliance. EZ cannot maintain this because the saw won't.

Yeah, that just is not true at all. Bevels on the Festool are easier, that has been established. The EZ can do them just as accurately, but it takes a few extra steps. I'm not going to explain how to do it again here. I can PM if anyone wants to know.

I'm all for comparing and contrasting, but let's stick to facts. Anyone that hasn't seen or worked with both systems probably should comment on what is good about what they have worked with and not what's bad about something they have not held in their own hands.

[Steve Regier]

You are welcome to try out my Festool system anytime. I also have them at the listening parties for folks to try. As you say you have to experience them to understand. 'Just trying to pass on information and tools that have turned me from a wood butcher to a wood worker.

[bigjohn1]

Ok Guys, I'm New here and sorry I hit a cord, Use what ever you preffer and will leave it at that. So true about why we look at building our own speakers tho and Bill is one that has a nitch for them Thanks