Duratex or equivalent in NZ/OZ

[Grey Owl]

Hi Harley,

A quite taut sponge roller comes with the Hippoliner pack.

However, as I was painting two cabs, I bought a twin pack of long hair roller brushes and tried an experiment that first as I don't know where you can get those types of rollers.

The first one I did last weekend and it came out quite good actually.

Today (Easter Monday) I've just come in from finishing the second cabinet and used the proprietry foam roller and it's much better.

I undercoated each cabinet with black out of a spray can just to setle thing down then, using an orbital sander, cut it back.

These cabinets are old dogs of things but it was good to experiment to do before I get the good stuff.

After I painted the first one last week, I left it for 3 days before touching it. The surface finish is rock hard but imperfections and blemishes in the sub strata clearly shows through so I need to be mindful of that when building my cabinets!


Will post some photo's when i can.

Cheers

[Harley]

I must try some - I've got a T39 that needs painting.

Bunnings has some textured rollers on special right now, so I'll grab some of those.

Normally, I'd steer clear of anything at Supercheap Auto, but if this Hippoliner as a tough as you say, then it's worth the experiment.

I also have 4 T48's and 4 Dr300's to do within the next month.

[Grey Owl]

Hi Harley,
Just been out to the shed now to check how the new coat is settling down.

The foam roller just makes an overall excellent job. Much better than my first attempt with a long knap roller.

The finish is very black, very shiny. with a raised raised texture - again much better than my first attempt.

Where are you in Auckland; you are more than welcome to come out and have a look for yourself. I'm in Dairy Flat.

Here is the products link. It's made in Canada and no doubt we can get it here because of the British Commonwealth thing. It's has Toulene in it which some consider may be a bit of a nasty but hey, your cabinets need to look good don't they?

Cheers

David

http://www.dominionsureseal.com/documen ... diw214.doc

[Harley]

Where are you in Auckland; you are more than welcome to come out and have a look for yourself. I'm in Dairy Flat.

Our band practices weekly at Dairy Flat. I'm in Mt Wellington. PM me your phone no and address, and I'll pop in for a quick visit in the next couple of weeks.

[Harley]

The foam roller just makes an overall excellent job. Much better than my first attempt with a long knap roller.

The finish is very black, very shiny. with a raised raised texture - again much better than my first attempt.

How smelly is it?

You mentioned toluene in your pm - would a need a hi-tech mask and do I need a well ventilated space?

Would it smell the neighbours out?

I note the brochure mentions do not spray at over 60% RH - good grief, Auckland hardly gets down to that - eg here we have Autumn, slight drought conditions and today is 85%

[lalexb]

Would you please stop hijacking my topic !!!

I've got off trademe a pair of Plasti Kote spray truck bed liner for $25, I guess 2x500ml should be just enough to cover a T39.
I'll probably put some black primer first in case I end up being a bit short... I'll report the progress soon.

[Grey Owl]

Hi Harley,
PM sent to you with my contact details.
I just yused a mask I had hanging around with doors and windoes open to creat a draught - worked well.
All re-assembled now and looking great.
Anyone wanna buy some cabinets?
Cheers

[Harley]

I just used a mask I had hanging around with doors and windows open to create a draught - worked well.

I contacted Smits who distribute the stuff. Supercheap have the Hippo 1.7l kit ( 50 - 60 ft2 ) for $123. Smits sell it direct for $120. Repco has the kit for $100

I can buy 6.8l of Gator ( same company Dominion Seal ) for $328 at Smits which the expert there says is a tougher paint.

Still friggin expensive paint!

[lalexb]

a pair of Plasti Kote spray truck bed liner for $25, I guess 2x500ml should be just enough to cover a T39.

hmmm... actually 2 of of them isn't really enough for a big beast like a 22" T39. 3 would do, 4 wouldn't hurt.
Saying so, apart from the bottom panel that hasn't been done, I still got a decent finish out of those with just a single coat. It looks quite tidy and that will do for now until it needs some touching up, or until I can source a bit more of them.


Texture close up :

it looks more authoritative in Black!

[Harley]

Well, Gator Guard is a PITA to apply. $400 for a 6.8l pack.

Imperative to apply undercoat and imperative temp is over 21 deg C to apply and flash off.

How the manfrs expect you to sensibly handle the stuff is beyond me.

The solids part of the 2 part mix is like tar. You have to have equal amounts of this part with the liquid part. How one can successfully measure tar, is a question that I reckon only God could answer.

The liquid part is in a tin with a screw down cap just off the middle. You have to cut a hole into the seal, which is a mission given that any spark would put you into orbit. The this has to be the lousiest pourer, it's only after you waste a bit that you realise it would be far better to pour it in a big basin first, then decant it into a beaker for accurate measure.

Next, you're expected to stand there for 10 mins and constantly stir the mixture ( no elect drill allowed as there is danger of explosion ( so the instructions say ) and after that allow another 10 mins by itself to "stand" THEN you have all of 15 mins to get the stuff on before it clags up

The result = with a foam texture roller if you go over 1 kph with the roller, you end up with black flecks flying all over your workshop and the texture is like fresh paint with slightly sparse velcro hooks in it - which never settle down. You could use the dried coat as sandpaper.

Like I said, a right royal PITA

USA Citizens - never never ever bitch about your great country. You have Duratex on tap

[lalexb]

Looks like a real mission you went through!!!
Apparently the North Islanders swear less than the South Islanders, was it true on that case?

I still haven't heard back from the distributor of the Phoenix Easytread about a due shipment of the black one, but maybe if you contact him also at kemtek@ihug.co.nz that'd pressurize him a bit more, or just make the thing resurface again on his stack. Last price I had been given was $85/4L which would make it a pretty good candidate for down here. Non toxic, water based, ....
Despite being pretty much sorted now for my T39, I'm still in the market for a proper finish solution, at least for my future builds.

[lalexb]

So here it is, I've finally done my refinishing on the T39 using the Easytread from Phoenix paint, available from kemtek in NZ.

I paid NZ$100 for 4L delivered to my doorstep.
The finish is pretty good, at times I struggled a bit to obtain an even texture, but I'd put that on the technique used.
The paint is very black, thick, gooey-ish, covers really well, it's not stinky, and can be used indoors. Still, a generous tarp to cover the working area is mandatory as there are some drops and quite a few black particles are splattered around.
I used the standard paint small rollers, not the textured ones and maybe that's a mistake.

I found it's best to not put too much pressure on the roller, as this would lead to particle buildup on the roller, sort of an imbalance in the ratio of wet paint and particles which eventually will mess up your job once all those particles are released on the surface, or more likely on the edges, mouth braces, etc... Then some light sanding between coats will be required in those places.

Also painting vertical surfaces is definitely trickier, as any excess on the roller is likely to end up on the floor before you have time to roll it around. That's the nature of the goo. This gets better as technique gets refined though.


Here are a couple of shots
With a Neutrik jack for scale of particles:

In the hard to reach parts, it's a bit harder to get the even result...

I've used something like 1.5L and I applied 2/3 coats, with a bit of waste...
Although far from perfect when looking close, it's a more than decent finish and it'll protect the cab really well. Being a first attempt, I'm sure it'll get better.
I might do an other coat at some stage in the future with a textured roller, but there's no rush...

[Harley]

So here it is, I've finally done my refinishing on the T39 using the Easytread from Phoenix paint, available from kemtek in NZ...

Hi Alex, nice to meet up with you last week. I'm down in Ch Ch again Mon/Tues next week and would like to see the finish first hand. Will you be around?

[decibel]

Another possible, mainly for the West islanders, is ROCKARD paint from Rock n Roll music.

I got a sample pot several years ago at a trade show in Sydney and it looked pretty good rolled or applied with a hopper gun.

http://www.rocknrollaus.com/category1_1.htm

15l for AUS$220 seemed ok - pity about freight over here

[Harley]

Another possible, mainly for the West islanders, is ROCKARD paint from Rock n Roll music.

I have approached these people plus another distributor of Rockard.

Full of promises to send samples...nothin eventuated and no reply to my follow-up emails,

GGGrrrrr