Jack 110 and the rigging to suspend them

[biodad]

greetings
OK, I am idiot of the month. I though my punishment was through. BUT, arent there periods showing the ends of sentences?
Oh, that's right, most of the grammar queens are musicians and ya gotta consider that brain cells may have been burnt or baked. Can we just delete this review? I'm going on Springer in March cause my life is a ruin . . .

[David Carter]

Nobody's calling you an idiot or anything else. What you see here is a combination of valid suggestions and some good-natured teasing. The teasing happens around here all the time, so don't feel singled out. We're all friends and some people jump all over any opportunity to make a wise crack, but it's never mean-spirited. If you can laugh it off, you'll fit right in with everyone else.

[SoundInMotionDJ]

First pass at adding paragraphs...don't 'cha just love DIY'ers...

Greetings
i built 4 Jack 110's. all load with deltalite ll 2510's, full melded arrays, right to spec. when cutting the cabinet pieces my buddy & i realized what a joke this box might be with it's lego sized pieces. then i fired them up. . . i'm using a small 4 channel carvin 1204 amp with a max of 300 watts per channel @ 4 ohms. 2 jacks per channel, max 150 watts per box, never need the channel gain knob above 11:00 or one third open. i have 3 other 1800 watt amps that i'll never use now, bring one for a spare i guess. some of our comedy clubs hold 600 people.

i've used the jacks at 3 different jobs so far. broke the cones in per instructions, slammed duratex on them and they are light, loud, clean, deep, throw sound all over heck evenly, and very cool to pack and move. we are a dueling piano team doing mostly corporate events but we need huge low end on some jobs and these 4 jacks deliver. take your left hand and slam it down on 7 to 9 inches of the low register of a piano starting from C below open E on a bass and see what that does. these things get mean. we werent war volume but the room and the listeners ears didnt need any more volume last week. 250 + people. all bar owners in wisconsin holding a party. happy animals wanting blood.

my goals were the above mentioned, loud, deep, clean, inexpensive, along with being light enough to place on tripods. i often have to shoot sound left, left center, right center, and right due to long rectangular shaped banquet halls. these do it all very well. may not even have to splay them as i did last week. i like that this much hell can be rolled in one trip with a hand truck. club owners will look at me thinking " we're gonna have 400 people tonight bozo, those things look like monitors ".

i love the ease by which i hang them. i didnt want one box per pole with a top hat cup in the bottom for a couple reasons. top hat installation is more work to do than what i did, requiring placement accuracy beyond this other option and one box per stick is also is easier for a drunk to slam into and topple.

rather, i have a pair of jacks held up with a pair of tri pod poles, one tri pod per side of the lower jack. i used a heavy duty semi threaded U clamp or U bolt bout in the middle of the box an inch or two above the bottom of the cabinet with washers and nuts on inside and outside of jack side to secure the U clamp. one U clamp per side. only do this to 2 of the 4 boxes. the tri pod pole goes through that U clamp and secures the bottom of the jack from any motion. above the U clamp in the center of the side near the top of the cabinet is a 6" or 7" T iron. get all this at any hardware store for cheap. after each T iron was bolted to jack side, i bent the verticle leg out a tad so it extends half an inch or so away from the outside of the box, allowing it to easily slip into the inside of the top of the tripod pole and down 4 or so inches which totally stablizes the jack. id have photos but i could come up with a cure for cancer faster than figuring out how to upload.

2 tri pod poles goes up, distance doesnt have to be perfect as you can one hand the bottom of the jack while grabbing other tripod and move it into U clamp position. could assemble it on ground and lift too. grab jack and lower it so U clamps go over both tri pod pole tops. the T iron legs enters the top of the tripod pole and you're secure. the second jack goes on top. use plastic somewhat locking corners. to secure top jack to bottom jack, i use 2 eye bolts, 2 nuts & 4 washers that go through the bottom of the upper jack, through the top of the lower jack, one on each side of array placed far back near middle. 1/4 inch drill bit. because i often have to shoot sound 4 dirrections, i put a 14" x 14" mattress topper piece between the two boxes and i can simply angle the top jack left or right for coverage. when angling the top jacks, i just have one eye bolt holding the top jack to the bottom jack. still at least as stable as the typical cone + horn on a stick.

this last corporate room had a low ceiling so i raised my poles up to where the jacks had a ceiling boundry for better lows. ( i think it worked ? ) if this worked, it is another advantage of the jack vs the typical jbl-zebub eon or similar. it sure pounded like a bear thumping around. with the melded array running the length of the box and since there is no sonic difference between the top & bottom of the jack, the design allows it to couple to the ceiling when slammed up against it whereas a typical 12" or 15" cone with horn on top wouldnt due to the horn being up against the ceiling creating a gap. is that correct? who cares, i said it, it sounds cool, we'll leave it at that.

to elevate the extending tri pod pole, i use a bolt and wing nut going through holes i drilled with various height options. dont trust the cheap plastic screw knobs that strip and break. i had to move one pair last week after they were up. easy, take top jack off, grab both tripods and walk with your total weight of 40 pounds already elevated. place jack back on top, bolt down and relax. its as if there really is no weight up there.

i use a 21 band on 'em. also thinking in smaller rooms i could stack 2 jacks facing a corner and let 'em rip for extra low end at some jobs if i only need 2 in the air. great versitality if you have enough single jacks! i should have 8, 4 corner loaded and 4 in air but where would i need this much noise? until you've grabbed one of these pups and tossed it around like a 12 pack, you'll never appreciate this design.

i have the kits for 2 DR200's but havent built them yet. i will hang them the same way if i ever use them. i no longer have to bi amp and drag subs and my pack space is reduced greatly. got kits for 2 T39's with 3012LF's but wont need those now eigther.

i could dig 5 jacks per side stacked, bottom 3 arrays switched off. great coupling for monster low end and lightweight. the melded arrays sound sweet. to come up with lightweight designs that sound this good is one thing, but being restricted having to use whatever cones are available makes bills work even more impressive. the tuning and design of these boxes had to take some time and thought. i love moving my jacks in & out, setting them up and having people feel thump, understand our words and not have high end abrasion.

jacks rock, bill rocks, and now i rock ! sorry for being long winded but set up and tear down is the "work" of a live performance and settling for crud sound never inspires my best performance and i no longer have to face those two issues so it's easy to keep boasting the jack design.

[AntonZ]

Nobody's calling you an idiot or anything else. What you see here is a combination of valid suggestions and some good-natured teasing. The teasing happens around here all the time, so don't feel singled out. We're all friends and some people jump all over any opportunity to make a wise crack, but it's never mean-spirited. If you can laugh it off, you'll fit right in with everyone else.

Well said Dave. Don't feel bad biodad, we don't feel bad about you either. Your review is welcome, and life is no fun without a little teasing. And I was just genuinely glad to see Tim back. He used to be a regular with lots of very valuable input to this forum.

[biodad]

greetings
I am not offended. If I were offended, I would be wise to not read the responses. . .
This week I shot many photos of this riggin I have. I hope it works for some of you cats. May take a day or so to get it loaded. You folks will probably improve it.
On the other hand, it isnt the winning lottery ticket, just something that works for me. I already can see where one might wanna cut pole holes in the middle / bottom of the jack 110 and have a 2 inch housing on top that secures the pole. That might be better yet? You know I am a puter idiot so wish me luck with the uploads.

[biodad]

Greetings

The more I talk, the seemer I dumb. I have 8 shots saved in Picasa but dont know how to email them or anything else. I looked at various upload programs and considered hanging myself from a tree in the back yard so I quit trying to perform the upload.

3 things:
#1 - i could have hauled in 20 pounds of walleyes this morning but NO, I'm trying to do this that I will never understand
#2 - I honestly and seriously hope my "rigging" is useful or improvable for some of you folks, especially after suffering through my original miserable melded babble review.
#3 - I cant even email this photo's to myself, so I would be willing to mail this 32 MB chip camera card with return postage to any of you regular posting cats whom everyone knows, who can deal with uploading it if need be. I really think this rigging is cool and am just trying to actually contribute my first useful offering on this great forum.

for sure I have the most ridiculous post going currently ( oughta be a monthly award for this but it would encourage others to just be silly on purpose ...)
Sorry for my short comings in computer land.

[cliffhanger]

If you have loaded some pictures you must be very close. Did you create a web album thru Picassa, I am downloading picassa right now to understand how this program works. If you already have a web album then all you have to do is copy the address of the page and paste it into your post here and we can click on it. If you want to call me I will walk you thru the steps we will have the pics up in a matter of minutes...PM me with your number or vice versa if you want help. You won't be missing any more walleye.

[WB]

Sorry for my short comings in computer land.

Don't feel sorry, I was in exactly the same spot you're in not that long ago. The good people here walked me thru the process and I've been annoying everyone with my photo's since. Mind you, switching to a Mac helped this komputer klutz. So don't give up, I want to see those pics.

[Gregory East]

wow, I was gonna make the same plea for paragraphs. I gave up exactly the same as the other old dudes wot learned read'n and write'n proper-like in school /

Good to see you're adapting.

I like photos uploaded to http://www.imageshack.com [rightclick the link so it opens in a new browser window]. You can probably edit (maybe even punctuate) your original post or else just reply and paste in the links over from the imageshack window.

I'm not familiar with picasa but it sounds like you have used it to make an online album with your google account? If that's the case then you're so close to being able to share them on here it's not even funny.

Open up your account in another browser window or tab (that's your internet access program) find where it gives a link to your album. Someone else with an acount can walk you thru that if necessary.

Copy that link. There's two possibilities.
Either up top of the browser window by clicking, holding down the mouse key and dragging it over the text to highlight it, then right clicking that highlighted block and selecting "copy". Else right clicking a ready made html link picassa gave you. There's almost defintely some well written instructions from picassa saying something like "click here to share your album"

Then go over to the bfm window and paste in the link by right clicking in the reply box you already had open and hitting "paste". Bob's your hairy arsed Aunty.

[Bob G]

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I had a few extra of these lying about. Looks like OP ran out.

[Tom Smit]

Hey Biodad, congrats! because you're almost there!

As was said, open a new tab/window in the browser that you are using right at this moment. Go to your album in Picassa. (Don't try to e-mail.)
Now right-click on the address bar. (this should cause the address to be high-lighted)
A dialogue box opens up...left-click on "copy".

Now come back to BFM, and hit the "reply" box (you already know how to do this because you "reply" to us numerous times ). Click on the box to get the flashing icon, and again, right-click. The dialogue box opens up again...left-click on "paste".

There, now you have a link, which we can follow.

[biodad]

D:\Documents On D\My Pictures\Feb 1- 2010 - Jack 110's

huh, did this work?

[biodad]

huh - No it didnt, i try again

[cliffhanger]

Here are the Pics click on the link:

http://picasaweb.google.com/clifford.chad/Biodad#

If you click more info on the right hand window the name of the file is a brief description of the photo itself.

[biodad]

greetings
After all the hassle cliffhanger went through coaching me to get these uploaded, and the mental abuse from the original post that may have caused suisides everywhere, all we get is a few lousy shots with a duplicate photo ? Yup.
Whacha think of the rigging? The rigging is the only reason I wanted to post the photos.
Hope someone can improve it or use it as it is. Thanks everyone for hanging in there with this "thing" i started. I promise to pay attention to my verbage should i build and review my T39 & DR200' kits.