two dr 250's and one T 24

[J_Dunavin]

We did a dance Sat. night in a full sized gym with about 300 kids A little more than what i was expecting, but it ROCKED! I don't know why but i have played in this gym before, and it sounded better Sat. night than ever before. Must of been room placment/ EQing. I also placed the single sub up against a wall, but with one end kicked out. Picture it like a V couple, but with one sub against a wall. It did load up really bad on that one side, so bass was not as even as i would have liked, but still good enough. I also know that my top to sub ratio is scewed.
The 250's.. supper loud, very clean, and was as clear on the other side of the gym as it was up close to the stage. I have heard someone else use their slef powered jbl things, and.... these threw the sound soooo much further, sounded WAY better (not as muffled) and i just had them on the stage. I didn't even bother to put them on the stands.
As for the rest? Tops off of one peavey ips800 and the sub off of one (briged) peavey ips400. Peavey 215EQ with 44? Hz subsonic @12db. Stanton cd player and behringer dx1000 board.
And now that it went so well... i am going to sell it all, and build a new, smaller, more modular set up!

[DJ FroZone]

why u gonna sell?

[DJ Big Ronn]

We did a dance Sat. night in a full sized gym with about 300 kids A little more than what i was expecting, but it ROCKED! I don't know why but i have played in this gym before, and it sounded better Sat. night than ever before. Must of been room placment/ EQing. I also placed the single sub up against a wall, but with one end kicked out. Picture it like a V couple, but with one sub against a wall. It did load up really bad on that one side, so bass was not as even as i would have liked, but still good enough. I also know that my top to sub ratio is scewed.
The 250's.. supper loud, very clean, and was as clear on the other side of the gym as it was up close to the stage. I have heard someone else use their slef powered jbl things, and.... these threw the sound soooo much further, sounded WAY better (not as muffled) and i just had them on the stage. I didn't even bother to put them on the stands.
As for the rest? Tops off of one peavey ips800 and the sub off of one (briged) peavey ips400. Peavey 215EQ with 44? Hz subsonic @12db. Stanton cd player and behringer dx1000 board.
And now that it went so well... i am going to sell it all, and build a new, smaller, more modular set up!

It doesn't get much smaller than what you have now.

[jcmbowman]

I did a cardboard mock-up of the DR250s vs. the DR 200s - and the DR200s really are that much smaller. If he's going to build DR200s - then I can see the appeal.

[Mikey]

The T24 really doesn't offer a lot of sensitivity and max output compared to other BF designs, either, especially considering the pack space it occupies. An O15sub, 2xBP102 O12sub, or a pair of 14"w T39s would make more sense for a compact PA.

[DJ Big Ronn]

I did a cardboard mock-up of the DR250s vs. the DR 200s - and the DR200s really are that much smaller. If he's going to build DR200s - then I can see the appeal.

To each his own. The 200 is only 2 inches smaller and he's already got two 250's built. If this were a new project, then yes build um smaller. For 2 inches and 10 pounds, I just dont see it.

[SoundInMotionDJ]

To each his own. The 200 is only 2 inches smaller and he's already got two 250's built. If this were a new project, then yes build um smaller. For 2 inches and 10 pounds, I just dont see it.

Actually, the DR200 is 2" narrower and 4" shorter and 4" smaller in depth.



--Stan Graves

[DJ Big Ronn]

It looks quite a bit shorter in the picture doesn't it ? My .02 on the matter, is that I wouldn't spend a month in the shop when I have two 250's already built. If you can load 2- 200's in the car, you can also load 2- 250's. Keep in mind guy's this is just MY opinion.

[J_Dunavin]

There are multiple reasons why i am going for a rebuild. And as silly as it sounds the extra couple of inches will make a differance for me. I just could not fit 250's in my car. 200's will fit, and for the mean time two of them will have to do. And yes the T-39 14" will also fit, but not the t-24. It's just too big.
There are other reasons too... from the reading i have done, over the forum, it would seem that a dr-200/ t-39 set up might just sound better than my 250/ t-24 set up did. Final plans? Four 200's and a swarm of t-39's
See at first this was just a build to get my own gear. Now that i want to start doing this on the side..... i thought a rebuild would be nice. New speakers, new board, cd player, ect. I think the finished product will be better in the end. Besides it's another excuse to build

[DJPhatman]

J_Dunavin, you answered your own question, and don't even realize it! You said you were in a school gym, with 2 DR250s and a single T24. That's your answer. You are short on sub cabs!

You have been here long enough to know the mantra:
If you need more noise, add more cabs! For a gym-sized room, you really need 3 more T24s, and another pair of DR250s wouldn't hurt, either. Other than the additional cabs, you don't need to change anything else, except running the Peavey IPS400 in bridged mode. Switch it back to parallel mode and run all 4 subs off it! Add a V-plate, a-la Tim A's post from quite some time ago, and latch them together just like he did. When using all 4 subs, run them with the bottom pair laying on top of their V-plate, the second pair stacked normal.

You have to bring the right tools for the job. All the Tubas and Titans are designed to work in pairs, and the only time a single sub should be used, IMHO, is very small, intimate gigs (50 or less in a small room).

[DJ Big Ronn]

There are multiple reasons why i am going for a rebuild. And as silly as it sounds the extra couple of inches will make a differance for me. I just could not fit 250's in my car. 200's will fit, and for the mean time two of them will have to do. And yes the T-39 14" will also fit, but not the t-24. It's just too big.
There are other reasons too... from the reading i have done, over the forum, it would seem that a dr-200/ t-39 set up might just sound better than my 250/ t-24 set up did. Final plans? Four 200's and a swarm of t-39's
See at first this was just a build to get my own gear. Now that i want to start doing this on the side..... i thought a rebuild would be nice. New speakers, new board, cd player, ect. I think the finished product will be better in the end. Besides it's another excuse to build

So, for 4-200's and a swarm of T-39's you'll need bigger transportation, right? I was trying to understand. What the hell, build a shit load of 200's, send me the 250's and be done with it.

[J_Dunavin]

Ha sorry, the 250's are already gone
I should explain my thoughts some more.....
Ya the swarm of dr's and titans are, of course, more to haul than what i had, BUT for starters i'm just going with a pair of 200's. I'll build more later, and at that point i hope to be able to afford a little covered trailer. So it's a work in progress.
And also right about the sub situation. I learned quick that one sub just doesn't work. With that in mind i didn't want 4 or more t-24's but would rather have 4 or more t-39's for the added sensitivity above 40HZ. Even though i DJ i run a subsonic around there anyway. So why have cab's that can go down to 30hz when i never use it. In my opinion anything below 40, in a gym sized room or outside, is just a waste of power to try and reproduce that anyway.
Bottom line? When it comes down to it, i love to have a project and i love the build. So i am revamping. I hope to be extremely modular.

What gear am i keeping? One Peavey IPS800 and two Peavey IPS400's Peavey 215 EQ and an EV crossover.
Selling the Behringer dx1000, Stanton S-650 mk2 and the t-24 of course.
The board and cd player are nice, i like them, but i never use all the channels on the behringer so why keep it? I have been looking at some used stuff, Pioneer DJM 300 and CDJ 100's, and 500's. With my laptop as a back up source. I duno i also thought about a behringer vmx200 or 300. I don't care what anyone says... i think if you take care of it a behringer will last a long time.

[djtecthreat]

I don't care what anyone says... i think if you take care of it a behringer will last a long time.

Not to shoot down Behringer, I have a bunch of their products, and they have they're place in my systems, but;

Comparing a Behringer to a Pioneer mixer is no match, I have 2 pioneer mixers, a rane mixer, allen-heath (live-sound consoles), etc.. etc.. While i've never had an issue with how "long" a Behringer mixer will last, it's how it performs while its "lasting". Scratching pots and faders, loose/popping connectors, software/dsp issues, poor feeling of things (grainy, tight, non-consistent faders and knobs, buttons, loose rack rails or connector housings on brand new units), etc.. etc.. Don't excite me, and certainly don't make me, my DJ's, or my sound techs look or sound good. These things aren't from abuse we take extremely good care of all our gear, I picked up 2 brand new Behringer DJ mixers for a rental job and they never went out because of problems straight out of the box, but were from different stores in different states.

Now- While I'd never recommend a Behringer mixer, I'd recommend a DCX2496 and DEQ2496 over a DBX Driverack PA anytime; as well as any Peavey signal processing devices. Just my opinion.

Sorry for hi-jacking the thread- If you're concern at the moment is pack space, Build the 200's, and T-39's. It's unfortunate you can't fit the 250's, seeing as you already have them.

[J_Dunavin]

humm, maybe i will start looking at different mixers, other than behringer. I do like the look of the DJM 300. It's simple and would be able to do what i need. CD players would be my next big item to go with. I have, (want to sell) a rack mount, dual cd player form Stanton. It's ok, but there is so much more out there.

As far as the set up goes....I can always build more 250's down the road, the 200's will fit my needs for now.

[jcmbowman]

I have a DJM-300 that I bought used from a friend almost a decade ago. I think it's about 15 years old now. No big bells and whistles, but it's been to show after show after show and aside from hitting with the compressed air every 6 months or so to clear out dust and cigarette ash and whatnot, It's still trucking along like the day I got it. The sliders and knobs are firm, and the crossfader is like butter. I swear by this thing, and have used it several times as a backup when someone else's expensive effects-laden mixer takes a crap on them during soundcheck.

If you're looking for CD players check craigslist. I see them all the time on there.