Omni 12 2-10?...yup.

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#1 Post by Tim A »

Here’s another one for your consideration. I call it the O12210. (neat how that worked out, eh?)

The goal here was simple: Max output in a small box. I’ve wanted a smaller sub for some time. Titans and Tubas are great, but hauling a 22” T-39 to my small venue gigs was getting old. The 14” T-39’s spoiled me because they’re so easy to carry and load. They work, and they’re light, but you need 2 to keep up. They also take up floor space when standing upright that you don’t have in small rooms.

There are a lot of guys out there who, like me, run a powered mixer in small venues. They like to run mains on one side and monitors on the other. They also want to run a sub just to add kick, or maybe some left-hand keys. The problem is they’re already at 4ohms with their tops. Options are few. A powered sub is probably the best bet, but if it doesn’t have a built-in Xover you need to add that to the system. Plus, they’re heavy and typically expensive. There are a few passive units on the market with a built-in Xover, but they’re all entry level models that can’t come close to keeping up with a pair of tops on their own. So why not a good, 4ohm pro-grade sub with a built in passive crossover? Then a guy can run tops and sub off one channel and keep the second one free for monitors.

Enter the 2-10 version of the Omni 12. I asked Bill what he thought would happen if the O12 were loaded with a pair of BP102’s. He said it modeled ok and would be worth a try. The results are very good. It’s been used at 2 gigs, one free standing and one where I was able to load it by a wall. No problem getting all I needed in either case.

I really need to get some RTA gear so these reports can include numbers. Until then all I can do is A/B. Before it went to a gig it was tested against my 22” Titan 39. It was able to keep up, but with more of a reflex ‘tone’ while the Titan had the typical horn punch. The Titan was slightly louder in the upper but the Omni did a better job down low. That is to be expected in a 1:1 comparison, but would be negated once you started adding cabs.

The build is simple. 10 hours from first cut to final assembly including some changes to the door (I didn’t make it full height) and the bracing. I think after you found your way around this cab it’d be possible to do one in 6-7 hours flat. It weighs 50lbs using Auraco ply. The size difference between it and a 39 is substantial. The 22” T-39 is 9.68CuFt, while the Omni at 34” H x 20” W x 15” deep is only 5.9CuFt.

Bill’s modeled chart shows the 2-10 version will gain 3dB average over the 1-12. That puts the sub somewhere in the 99-100dB range. Not bad for a little guy!

Of course, it has limitations. For the intended purpose it’s perfect, but keeping it all in perspective it won’t match up to the Tubas or Titans once you start stacking. Most musicians own enough PA for 95% of their gigs, for the other 5% they borrow or rent. I think of this as a “95%” sub. Even though it’s a niche cabinet, it’s still small enough to keep around in addition to your modular system.

It can be built with the passive Xover or if you’re already bi-amping it can be built without. If you have the amplification and wanted to run a pair in a room to about 200 +/- that’d be fine. Anything more and you’ve reached the point of diminishing returns, and it’s time for Titans or Tubas.

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Very nice. Maybe Bill can talk Eminence into making some 3010LF's. :twisted:
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#3 Post by LelandCrooks »

Man this thing was a bastard to figure out the kit. TOO many configurations, horns, no horns, full range, bass cab, sub only. But it's up.

Useful idea. :idea:
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This will easily cover 95% of my gigs. It's going to be my first build. I'm just finalizing all the different plans I need so I can order everything at once to save a couple $$. I'm thinking of pairing this with a couple DR200's and a few wedgehorn monitors. Can't wait to get going on it.

Glad to hear Leland's got a kit for it, too. That makes it even easier. I'll be ordering soon.

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Rug, that's how I use it. The only issue is that DR200's are loud little cabs and the Omni has a hard time keeping up if you use it straight through, so I compensated with the EQ. Once the DR's were properly equalized, I pulled each slider back an equal amount, about 3dB. That kept the overal cab's equalization the same but dropped the volume on the entire cab. It worked like a champ, and since the DR's are so loud it meant almost nothing to the system's volume. Even with the EQ pulled back they're louder than a set of Yamaha S115V's by a good 3dB.

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#6 Post by bcampbell »

My only complaint about this design is that it arrives just after I PLed the last panel on my first 20" T-39. Haven't even wired it up yet and this design appears. You're killing me here Smalls. I guess I'll just have to build the second T-39.

In all honesty, it is great that new designs keep coming out. Now...I just need a plausible story for the wife on why I need to build this one..
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#7 Post by Scott Brochu »

Tim, Does it sound like the T-39's? that very low end punch us drummers like from a miked bass drum? I am always looking for faster pack time and compact units.
I love my 39's, and I know you say that it could do a 200+ house, but really thats so small. I guess I'll have to build one for my self. You recommend two?
If you don't wall load them what would be your standard placement? large and small club type venues?

Might I add, very well done. :wink:
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Scott Brochu wrote:Might I add, very well done. :wink:
Yep, add me in on that round of applause - Tim does nice work.
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Scott Brochu wrote: Tim, Does it sound like the T-39's?
No.
Scott Brochu wrote:I love my 39's, and I know you say that it could do a 200+ house,
I said a pair could do about 200, +/-
Scott Brochu wrote:You recommend two?
No. I recommend it's used for the intended purpose. I mentioned that if you had to run up to 200 on occassion it'd be ok in pairs, but it's primarily for one-sub setups in small rooms.

It sounds like most of your gigs are in larger rooms, this isn't suitable for that. If most of your gigs are in smaller rooms and this was your main sub, but you get an occasional job in a room of 200, then you could use a second one. But don't forget a pair of these will be 2ohms, so you'd need the amps. That pretty much takes it out of the powered mixer realm. The idea behind this is for a guy who has no large system to fall back on. For your use, stick with the Titans.

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#10 Post by Scott Brochu »

I figure if we play a bar were I just mike my bass I could probably get away with using one. (I do have a powered board)
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Scott Brochu wrote:I figure if we play a bar were I just mike my bass I could probably get away with using one. (I do have a powered board)
That'll work.

A couple of notes regarding changes to the standard design:

The internal side brace is full length since there's no midhorn in the way, and the bottom brace must be held back from the baffle a couple of inches to clear the driver. Both are shown in the picture.

If you intend on mounting a tophat to fly a PA main and/or a strap handle on the side, the braces have to be moved forward 7/8" for clearance. That's enough to mount the T-nuts for the handle and get the tophat centered on the cabinet.

The handle is centered front to back but is mounted closer to the bottom of the cab for balance when carrying. This takes into account the drivers being set low in the cabinet. To find the balance point, temporarily install the drivers, inductor, and access door, then lay the cabinet on it's side and use a strip of ply about 1/2" wide to find the balance point. When the cabinet is balanced, mark the stick as the center of the handle. Being a little off in either direction won't matter, but if you're too far off the cab will carry end-heavy.

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Thank you Tim.
you are very helpful in all of what you do here in the forum.
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#13 Post by DJDAVE »

But don't forget a pair of these will be 2ohms
The BP102 comes in a 4-ohm option, 2 wired in series comes to 8-ohms per box, then connect the 2 boxes in parallel gives you 4-ohms...perfect.

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DJDAVE wrote:
But don't forget a pair of these will be 2ohms
The BP102 comes in a 4-ohm option, 2 wired in series comes to 8-ohms per box, then connect the 2 boxes in parallel gives you 4-ohms...perfect.
Yes, except that used as a single box you'll lose SPL. You could build the box with a single 12LF and end up in the same place for less money. And if you're going to run them as a pair all the time you may as well build Titans or Tubas.

Again, keep it in perspective. It's a great little box that works perfectly for its intended use.

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#15 Post by Mark Coward »

Well I just started one, resized to fit the O10 exactly, for a bassist who is already using an O10. I build the O10 1" deeper than stock to allow for full grill, so that's 17" depth. They're the 23" wide version, so the O2-10 works out to 26" height by my calculations to achieve the same volume as the O12TB version: 17 x 23 x 26.

So as it turns out, this box will be exactly the overall size of an O10 "wide" version, a fact that should appeal to other bass players. Especially those who may do other gigs, with this sub and two O10.5's you'd have a nice small PA setup.

I'm keeping the TB's vertical alignment of the horn, as the standard O12 horizontal version requires 24" overall width.
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