OTOP15 EQ?

[ben.in.salzburg]

(How) do you happy OTOP15 builders eq your cabs?

Do you EQ your double 15 cab?
Or only the less smooth singles?

I can only afford a basic analogue EQ, with none of the bells and whistles the big boys have.

I can stretch to 31 band if necessary...

A pic of your EQ settings would be very much appreciated as a starting point for making the cabs shine when they are finished (need to order some Leland Crooks parts for that!).

Regards, Ben

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

I can only afford a basic analogue EQ, with none of the bells and whistles the big boys have.

IMO you can't afford not to go digital. Save up for a Behringer DEQ2496.

[Tim A]

Watch places like MF. They had (have?) a refurb DEQ2496 for $199. Look on ebay for used ones too.

[ben.in.salzburg]

Thank you both for the (expensive ) advice... You seem to be telling me I have no choice if the cabs are to sound good. Is this because an analogue eq would rely on my untrained ear for settings and therefore be very inaccurate?


This is new territory for me, but would I be right in assuming that a fancy microphone like the one in this bundle -

http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_deq2 ... bundle.htm

- is necessary because a basic vocal mic is too inaccurate/non-linear?

Does this need to be set up afresh for each gig and location, or do you stick with one setting that works fairly well?

I shall start looking on Ebay.de, musician's friend is the wrong side of the world for me.

Thanks!

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

Thank you both for the (expensive ) advice... You seem to be telling me I have no choice if the cabs are to sound good. Is this because an analogue eq would rely on my untrained ear for settings and therefore be very inaccurate?


This is new territory for me, but would I be right in assuming that a fancy microphone like the one in this bundle -

http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_deq2 ... bundle.htm

- is necessary because a basic vocal mic is too inaccurate/non-linear?

Does this need to be set up afresh for each gig and location, or do you stick with one setting that works fairly well?

I shall start looking on Ebay.de, musician's friend is the wrong side of the world for me.

Thanks!

That's what you want. Here the cost is about $350. If you can't afford that you aren't charging enough for your services!

[SoundInMotionDJ]

+1

Don't skimp. The DEQ is sooo much more than an EQ it's not even funny. NOTHING else under $300 will come close. Watch for re-furbs, I picked up mine for about $220 delivered.

--Stan Graves

[Mark Coward]

Yes, you would need a reference mic for RTA, the Behringer unit is about $50 USD new. What is the rest of your system, and what will it be used for? What HF did you use in the OT15's?

While some people RTA in every room, most find this unnecessary. If you setup the system outdoors and dial it in, usually this will work well in most rooms or there will only be one or two frequencies that need to be adjusted.

If you have a 31 band EQ you could borrow or rent some kind of RTA & mic, setup outdoors and adjust your system, then note the settings - easy to do with a digital camera.

Alternatively, you could purchase the mic first and use one of the free or trial versions of RTA software and use your PC. Then you'd have the mic already when/if you purchase a DEQ2496, and the Behringer mic works pretty well for micing overhead or hi-hats so it can do double duty.

[ben.in.salzburg]

Thanks Mark, I will start by purchasing the mic, borrowing an eq, and using free RTA software, and save towards the DEQ. FYI The pair of OT15 will be used on one channel of 1.2KW @ 4 Ohms per channel amp, my pair of 31" 3015 loaded T36 are on the other channel. Not sure how to power the second pair of OT15 that are planned.

Bill, you're right, I am charging too little. Whilst this is (still) a hobby, I should try not to lose too much money on it! Students party planners just don't have much money.

Thsank you all again,

regards, Ben

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

Thanks Mark, I will start by purchasing the mic, borrowing an eq, and using free RTA software, and save towards the DEQ. FYI The pair of OT15 will be used on one channel of 1.2KW @ 4 Ohms per channel amp, my pair of 31" 3015 loaded T36 are on the other channel. Not sure how to power the second pair of OT15 that are planned.

Bill, you're right, I am charging too little. Whilst this is (still) a hobby, I should try not to lose too much money on it! Students party planners just don't have much money.

Thsank you all again,

regards, Ben

One word: Weddings.

[bgavin]

The word (here) is "DJ".

Out here, a DJ gets $500 per night, and they are booked 6 months in advance. Sometimes I ask myself why I plan in a band for chump change, when I could DJ for actual folding money...

[ben.in.salzburg]

NT

[David Robinson]

The word (here) is "DJ".

Out here, a DJ gets $500 per night, and they are booked 6 months in advance. Sometimes I ask myself why I plan in a band for chump change, when I could DJ for actual folding money...

I typically make $125-$300 a night with the guys I play with. We've got gigs already booked pretty much through August. If something goes wrong or I somehow offend someone , I have three or four other guys on my side. Those three or four guys can be usually be counted on to help me load in/out my keyboard rig and the PA if need be. That's also three other "crash kits" if something breaks or inadvertently gets left behind and three cars to jump yours off when it won't start after everyone else is long gone.

A good musician friend puts it like this: "I get paid to load in and load out. I throw in the stuff in between for free!" I tend to agree.

[DJ Mark]

The word (here) is "DJ".

Out here, a DJ gets $500 per night, and they are booked 6 months in advance. Sometimes I ask myself why I plan in a band for chump change, when I could DJ for actual folding money...

Not all DJs get green that good, or did I not read the manual....

[Ron K]

The word (here) is "DJ".

Out here, a DJ gets $500 per night, and they are booked 6 months in advance. Sometimes I ask myself why I plan in a band for chump change, when I could DJ for actual folding money...

I typically make $125-$300 a night with the guys I play with. We've got gigs already booked pretty much through August. If something goes wrong or I somehow offend someone , I have three or four other guys on my side. Those three or four guys can be usually be counted on to help me load in/out my keyboard rig and the PA if need be. That's also three other "crash kits" if something breaks or inadvertently gets left behind and three cars to jump yours off when it won't start after everyone else is long gone.

A good musician friend puts it like this: "I get paid to load in and load out. I throw in the stuff in between for free!" I tend to agree.

I just take my 2 buds with me. Smith and Wesson! Along with the band of course! They also have their friends along........ well you get the picture.Best not to piss off the guy with the Atlas Cast Iron Base stand or the Sound Guy and his Louisville Slugger affectionately known as the Dog House Cover! and of course their "friends"......well you get the picture!!!

This could be a really bad place to cause trouble.

On a more serious note: Public gigs are in places that have security. Private gigs are usually people we know and very well controlled.Most of our public jobs and some of our private jobs draw a ton of Bikers.They usually treat us very well. Never had any problems with them.

In 20+ years of doing this I can count on both hands the amount of times real trouble actually brewed up.When it did it was squashed as quickly as it started. Generally a drunken idiot who thinks he's the worlds greatest lover!

[Ron K]

The word (here) is "DJ".

Out here, a DJ gets $500 per night, and they are booked 6 months in advance. Sometimes I ask myself why I plan in a band for chump change, when I could DJ for actual folding money...

Not all DJs get green that good, or did I not read the manual....

I do believe it's a geographical thing. In my neck of the woods DJs are not king. "Live" is. Live commands good cash. DJing is mostly budget stuff except Weddings. The Live Bands that do Weddings get paid very well but the demand isn't that great. Djs do better in this category and generally get between $250.00 and $500.00

A few of the bigger weddings I've seen have both a DJ and a Band. In fact our Band uses a DJ when that is requested at Block Parties ,Weddings Etc. Sometimes we use the local Radio Jocks as well.All we require is that they honor our set list and not repeat songs that we're gonna play and it's kinda nice to have an MC announce the band.We pay them out of our budget as well.

I know a lot of guys who will come out with a laptop and just patch in and keep people happy while were on break. We usually pay him $50.00 and free drinks. Drinks are alway included in our contracts anyway.Works out well most of the time.

Gees sry guys Thread hijak! Back on topic. Analog EQ is fine just use your ears that's why God gave them to you.

And remember this: Thou shalt not try and fix with amplitude what is messed up in time!