DR LIne Array Stands done

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Tim A
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DR LIne Array Stands done

#1 Post by Tim A »

Ok, here you go. As advertised this is easy to come by, relatively inexpensive, fairly quick to set up and tear down, and is a one man operation.

Sorry about this first pic, the sun was behind the array. I wasn't thinking when I set it up.

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The bottom cabinet is 6' off the ground The stands have another 18" of height available.

One of the key parts is this thing here, I call it the tray, or bridge. Note that it's wired. The single input uses 1+ 1-, and 2+ 2 -. The ouptus on the left are wired 1+ 1-. That way all the patch cables are the same. This lets you parallel an amp and run a single cable to feed the array.

The side shapes are critical. They help transfer the weight back to the cabinets

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The sides are strapped together with 3/4" steel, carriage bolts, and wing nuts. The inside and outside of each bolt hole has a carriage washer, and there is aluminum tubing glued into the hole. I wanted to guard against wearing out the holes.

For hauling and storage, flip the bolt around so the head is on the outside, put the strap on the inside and tighten it down. All the parts stay together.

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The backs have a piece of hardwall conduit mounted between gussets on the butt cheeks. The conduit serves 3 purposes. It's a handle, it's a race for the wires between the two jacks, and it's a clamp point. The backs are held together with more strapping and some heavy duty lighting clamps. Jacks were located to facilitate daisy chaining.

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A closeup of the back supports. Note the tubing attached to the last one, it's the rear stabilizer.

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The other end is attached to this crossbrace between the stands. It also has several purposes, and is your best friend, especially you DR280 guys.
When hanging the cabs slide the crossbrace up to the correct height for the cab. The cab will set on the brace while you attach the back support, and stay put while you go around front for the front supports. It's a lot easier than trying to hold the cabinet up while attaching the hardware.

The brace also ties the stands together making them very study, and is used to attach the rear stabilizer. The rear stabilizer will stop the array from waving back and forth and can take some of the weight off the hanging hardware.

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A side shot of the array showing the angles. The cabinet that sets on the tray is straight all the time. The next one down is adjustable from straight to 3 degrees. The other cabs are fully adjustable from straight to 6 degrees.

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Last shot. I installed top hats in the two crossfiring cabs so I can use them by themselves in small venues or with another cab on top when I want a bit more.

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Each stand will handle 125 lbs, total weight for the system is 25o lbs.
The stands will elevate to 10'8". The cranks are easy to turn even with a lot of weight on them.

Yes, it's stable. You couldn't accidently knock it over by a long shot. It takes an awful lot of force well up on the speakers, about 7' off the ground to even get it to tip. The cabinets hanging in between the stands lower the center of gravity significantly. I'd go up one more as long as I went down one more. For 8 cabs you'd want to keep the last two down low. And for that you'd need an elevated stage anyway, so the stand wouldn't need to be cranked up as high.

I sat the system up in about 1/2 hour and took it down in about 20 minutes. It'll get faster, there's a definite series of steps to follow and I'm still figuring them out.

You'll note the tray in the array looks different than the one in the picture by itself. I failed to take into account all of the hardware on the stand and had to modify the tray. I'll build two new ones when I build the other side, but this is good enough for you guys to get the idea.

Refinements? Lots of room. I'm sure as I think on it I'll come up with other ideas.

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#2 Post by Les Webb »

Now that is a fine piece of engineering. My hat's off to ya Tim. Really nice. Wow.

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#3 Post by David Carter »

Wow! Very nice!
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#4 Post by Sydney »

Excellent - Do you have an estimate about cost of build and time involved?

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#5 Post by scottj »

Freeeek'en Sweeeet :shock:
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#6 Post by bgavin »

What happens when the wind blows?
My biggest worry is that when I'm dead and gone, my wife will sell my toys for what I said I paid for them.

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#7 Post by SoundInMotionDJ »

Those look like light stands instead of speaker stands. What's the make/model of the stands?

Can you post a couple additional pics of the tray/bridge? Maybe one with a speaker sitting on it for scale. I can't quite picture how the speaker immediately below the bridge connects to anything in the front.

Great job!

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#8 Post by Tim A »

Bruce, these thing would stay standing in a 30mph wind. Any more than that and I wouldn't trust them, but then I probably wouldn't be outside playing in anything more than that.

SoundnMotion: Nope, they're speaker stands. Dayton Audio, Parts Express. About $130 each.

I'll try and get some more pics, but the speaker below the tray connects exactly like the others. The tray sandwiches in between the cabinets and tapers from 1 1/4" at the back to 1/4" thick at the front. That's to keep the minimum distance between the piezos. I made absolutely certain that all the cabs were identical so they can go up in any order I want.

Sydney: The stand portion, ie brace, stabilzer, etc. was only a few hours, and maybe an hour or so for the tray once I figured out what I wanted to do. (not including my mistake and the subsequent mods) All of the strapping and tubing was scavenged from old speaker stands. Clamps were purchased from Musicians Friend.

Total cost for the stand was about $325 for the one side.

Note: I used 3/4" conduit for the handles/clamp points. The clamps would be much better on 1", which would be ok on a 250 or 280. The 200's are too small in the back to use 1".

I'll post more details as I remember them.

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#9 Post by bgavin »

I know how much surface area four DR280 present to the wind. My thoughts were along the line of trying to put up a big tent in a stiff breeze. There is a lot of sail area there... and I'd had to see you stuck with a product liability lawsuit.
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#10 Post by Tim A »

bgavin wrote:I know how much surface area four DR280 present to the wind. My thoughts were along the line of trying to put up a big tent in a stiff breeze. There is a lot of sail area there... and I'd had to see you stuck with a product liability lawsuit.
The difference here is a weight versus sail area. Those stands each weigh about 40 lbs., then there's another 120 lbs on top of that. So you have 200 lbs with a sail area of 10 Sq. feet. It'd take a lot of wind to knock that over. If they were 280's, your surface would be 16 square feet, but the weight would increase to over 300 lbs.

I'm not supplying these to anyone but myself. If a customer wants line arrays, I'll build the cabinets, they can figure out their own stand. If anyone here wants to give it a whirl, that's fine.

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#11 Post by LelandCrooks »

Very nicely done, well thought out. I have one suggestion. Take your hats and reinforce them. I had one break the weld just from 2 dr250's. Just add another piece of steel to the brim part, weld it to the tube. Wiring the platform is a really good idea.

That's how I've always built my own 250's with the round back and the bridge across the butt. You don't need handles if you do that. Just grab the front and under the bridge.

For outside some socket feet, like a tophat, drive 16d nails through the holes. Ringshank or twisted if you can find them. That's how 10x10 craft fair popup tents anchor.
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#12 Post by Tim A »

The hats were a big concern, Leland. I didn't have access to a welder so I went a different route. This pic shows thw hat inside the tray. The block of wood at the top of the hat is wedged solidly between the hat and the top pf the tray. It's PL'd in place, of course. This also helps transfer the weight off the hats. When I make the permanent trays I'll seek out a welder, good tip.

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Here's one of the side straps. The two longest holes = straight, one long and one short = 3 degrees, and the two short holes = 6 degrees. There's just enough play to make any adjustment you want in between those angles.

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Here's a side mount. There's a washer like this both inside and out. You can also see the reinforcement tubing inside the hole.

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#13 Post by vlad335 »

Freakin ingenius Tim!

Your cabs look awesome as well. I can't stop staring at this pic.

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Man! Those look like they were built in a factory.
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#14 Post by LelandCrooks »

For the next go round you might consider these. More money than the washer setup, but would be very pretty. Captive nuts, 1/4 is the biggest I've found though.

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BTW, your screws are on the way.
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#15 Post by Mikey »

They look good. Have you tried putting eight DR200s on it yet, as planned? I'm curious if, when you have eight on there, you will have all of the cabinets straight, with no angle on the bottom cabs, since the bottom of the array will then be considerably lower.

What bass bins will you be using with sixteen DR200s? Eight T48s?

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