Can't find European dealer for HL-10c

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thijs666 · #1 Post by **thijs666** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:24 pm

I emailed Larry Langford about 2 Eminence HL-10c's for my 2 T48's 13" build, but he suggested to ask on the forum for a European distributor. That would likely be cheaper. He said there were several boardmembers in the UK who could point me in the right direction.

For my TT I bought my HL-10c from http://www.blue-music.de/ for 132 euro's (US $175). That was the cheapest I could find it. I know in the US they sell for $125

. But they're not available anymore from Blue-music, and anywhere else it'll cost even more

. Some 150 euro's

.

So could someone please help me out here

#2 Post by **Bill Fitzmaurice** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:11 pm

They are being phased out, so you may have to go with a different driver.

thijs666 · #3 Post by **thijs666** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:45 am

Bill, do you have a suggestion for a replacement? Could I use a speaker from the Titanic-series? I would like to keep Xmax and Xmech as large as possible.

I read a post of Strapping Young Stu in the thread about the HL-10c "Will the HL-10c be discontinued" comparing the Ciare 12.00SW to the HL-10c and the Ciare looks promising, but than I would have to widen the T48 too much. I like the idea of two 13" T48's. It's very versatile : coupling, V-formation, standalone, I could choose the appropriate option and still get them into my car. When I load the T48 with a 12", I wouldn't be able to do this

#4 Post by **Bill Fitzmaurice** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:37 am

For that size box I'd use the BP102.

AntonZ · #5 Post by **AntonZ** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:20 pm

E130 or E150 is only a E20 difference per box for an excellent driver, next to nothing on the total value of your rig. If you don't expect to blow drivers, you might opt to bite the bullet and get some HL10's while you still can. You are the only person using your subs, you're not in the rental business, so if you know what you're doing, they will take your usage without toasting.

I knew of one distributor in the Netherlands that had HL10 drivers in the past, just checked their website but they don't mention wether they have the A or C model, and their price is a little over E150.

BTW, have you PM-ed Sabbelbacke for a quote on the HL10's? He's supposed to have all regular Eminence drivers available iirc.

thijs666 · #6 Post by **thijs666** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:48 am

Damn, I thought I had them. A shop called www.aweo.de said they could sell them. So I ordered and paid with Paypal. The same day they called me with the bad news: they couldn't deliver until June 24th

.

But I didn't know Sabbelbacke was a dealer

. I PM-ed him just now. Hopefully he has them in stock

BTW, at Blue-music they were €132 including transport, €150 was even without transport. Including transport that would be €160. That would make a total difference of €60 for 2 drivers

I think that's enough motivation to look further

Sabbelbacke · #7 Post by **Sabbelbacke** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:42 am

The Situtation here is, that the central-european distributor just ran out of stock when we purchased the last few HL-10

So far, they won´t be ordering more, but we will try to persue them to get some more from the US. But they are not too keen on doing this. On the last few in stock they were "sitting" for almost a year, nobody ordered any. We´ll maybe we get lucky...

You have PM

thijs666 · #8 Post by **thijs666** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:42 am

Well, I don't know if Larry Langford is shipping per UPS, but I know I won a turntable from Sota Turntables last year

. Unfortunately I don't own any vinyl, so I sold it again

. But... they (Sota) first wanted to let me pay for the extra costs it would take to ship the thing to Europe (10 kg's, $173 FedEx

). That didn't sound like winning a prize to me

, so I suggested another transport company: USPS. They could get it to me for a meazly $34

, but it would take some more time ( two to six weeks), but I was'nt in a hurry.

I just searched for the costs of sending 36lbs. (2xHL-10c) over to The Netherlands: $50 per Economy Mail Parcel Post. Insurance for $300 is $1.5, I don't know Larry's price for the HL-10c, but I think it's not gonna be more...

Let's summarize:
est. price HL-10c: $125 x 2 = $250
Shipping: $51.50
Total: $301.50

$301.50 = 226.39 euro's

Bring 'em on, Larry

It's even cheaper than buying them over here...

Am I missing something???

Sabbelbacke · #9 Post by **Sabbelbacke** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:30 am

How about Taxes (VAT and Import), did you consider these?

thijs666 · #10 Post by **thijs666** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:19 pm

Sabbelbacke wrote:How about Taxes (VAT and Import), did you consider these?

Well, no. The speakerprice of $125 was incl. VAT, I thought. But as I understand, you don't have to pay import on half-finished products (it must be mentioned in the papers/on the packaging that it's NOT a fully assembled product; which it isn't actually).
For example: you can import a motorcycle frame from the US and order the engine a month later. You aren't buying any 'finished' products and thus you don't have to pay import-duties.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how collegues of mine at the transport-department explained it.

Sabbelbacke · #11 Post by **Sabbelbacke** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:41 pm

To be honest - I´m not sure. If this wold be true, almost every speaker from the US (Eminence, JBL...) would be much cheaper in the US.... If this were the case I actually wonder why anybody would buy any US-Speaker in Europe.... It would even make more sense for dealers to buy in the US and sell them here in shops.... Somehow I doubt it´s that simple... But if it´s acutally true, I immediately stop buying at the european distributor and get my stuff right away from the States

Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:26 pm

Sabbelbacke wrote:If this were the case I actually wonder why anybody would buy any US-Speaker in Europe..

Every rule has a loophole, the trick lies in finding it. For decades US clothing manufacturers have gotten around duties and quotas on Asian goods by having Asian fabric made into garments in the US- the US protectorate of Samoa, to be exact.

Sabbelbacke · #13 Post by **Sabbelbacke** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:06 am

That´s true, finding the loophole is the key.
I just had a long talk with the german distributor and managed to persue them to order some speakers for us, if we like - are they wathcing this forum?

For now, I´ll check out the "Import-myself" Situtation, if this actually can be done without any taxes, why ever buy in Europe again. But still, I have my doubts, this seems too easy... (still hoping

)

thijs666 · #14 Post by **thijs666** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:12 pm

I asked again today, but it should be possible to at least import speakers that are not fully build for a reduced import-tax, but I thought I'd phone customs about it. Turns out they're on strike till wednesday

. I should have let the HL-10c's com in today or tomorrow (if you catch my drift)

.

I'll try again later this week. The dutch website about customs is anything but understandable

as always with taxes

Importing duty-free from non-EU countries is possible up to 22 Euro's

. If it's a personal gift (from person to person, NOT from company to person), it's not allowed to cost more than $45 (should be mentioned in the papers). Above that, you HAVE to pay taxes, even if it's a gift

... How much? I dunno. Probably a percentage of the price mentioned in the papers... but that's what I called customs for: to find out exactly

thijs666 · #15 Post by **thijs666** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:16 pm

So I must correct myself:

thijs666 wrote: Well, no. The speakerprice of $125 was incl. VAT, I thought. But as I understand, you don't have to pay that much import on half-finished products (it must be mentioned in the papers/on the packaging that it's NOT a fully assembled product; which it isn't actually).
For example: you can import a motorcycle frame from the US and order the engine a month later. You aren't buying any 'finished' products and thus you don't have to pay the import-duties you normally have to pay for a motorcycle.