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DJ Facade (Plexiglas)

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Now that my T30 slim build is out of the way, I am moving onto the next item in the list which is a DJ Facade (it's that or the owl house... luckily I managed to get the facade started before I got moaned at to build the birdhouse!) Seeing miked's build also made me want to get started on this.

I managed to get the wood for my facade and the Plexiglas has been ordered from eBay here, so the next project is now definitely underway (hence starting the build log!)

I bought some reasonable looking 2x4 (yeah, I know!) from B&Q. The reason why I chose 2x4 was cost :broke: combined with the fact that I could inspect every plank of wood. The packs of planed wood were all sealed up in the shop and they looked just a little warped, which would have caused me headaches when building a supposedly flat DJ Facade! The plan was to saw each 2x4 in 2, in order to give me some 2x2(ish)s.

I tried making a jig to chop the wood, but due to my lack of patience, I didn't quite get the cutline right. It was only a mm off, but that meant that one bit was +1mm and the other was -1mm, resulting in a 2mm difference :wall:

I therefore created another jig to flush trim these irregular sized bits. Firstly I attached a few of the offcut blocks of wood (=same thickness) at a set distance (43mm) from a straight edge (pic #1). Then I could flip it up the other way, and put the block of wood to be flush trimmed to 43mm wide in the gap (where my thumb was in the first pic). I was then free to flush trim my wood to a nice regular size (2nd pic):
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FYI: The green edged bit of ply is my straight edge and I'm using a flush trim bit with the bearing at the top of the bit.

After rounding over the edges of all bits of wood with a R6.35mm bit, I then moved on to how to cut the groove for the Plexiglas. After much messing around and thinking of using the saw sled, I wasn't happy that it would be accurate enough. However having the saw sled set up gave me the idea of making a jig with saw table properties - like an upside down saw table. If I clamped down the saw and ran the wood through it, I could get that accurate cut that I was after. I think a video may explain it better.



And yeah, I kept calling the saw a drill :oops:

The key to all of this was to get the wood running along a track from which it couldn't deviate... normally this would be done with a fence and holding the wood with hands or a push stick. As my access prevented me from holding the wood the whole while, I just used lots of offcuts in order to hold the wood in a set place as it ran through the saw.

For the eagle eyed among you, you may notice that I am feeding in the wood round the wrong way (this was when I was doing a 2nd, deeper pass).. I therefore ended up with 2 grooves on the bit of wood in the vid!! My concentration was on shooting a (bad) video to show you what I had done! I should have been concentrating on my (bad) woodworking instead :lol:

After cutting the groove, it seems to be somewhere about 2mm wide, but the Plexiglas is 3mm wide. I was going to move the saw over by a mm, and pass all the bits of wood through the jig again to make the 3mm groove required. However, I decided that it would be best to have the Plexiglas in hand before I attempt this for the very same reason why you should have driver in hand before making a baffle :D

After the Plexiglas groove cut, I will be making a 45° cut which will join up with the plexiglass cut about 2/3rds the way down the cut. This is where I will be mounting my LEDs as they only have 120° dispersion - i.e. 60° each way. If I pointed them straight down, I think a lot of light would not hit the acrylic and the light wouldn't get to the edge of the Plexiglas. This way I think there should be a nice bright spot on the edge, fading toward the centre - I will test this when I have the Plexiglas to be 100% certain.

I may well use black vinyl or even card to stick on silhouettes onto the rear of the facade. I am not sure if it will show through to the front with the LEDs however. I was also thinking of routing my 'speaker' logo very shallow on the front of the Plexiglas. I have not even a mm of the stuff spare so I cannot test to see how well it would take a route - as such, it probably won't get done! If I was edge lighting the Plexiglas, a routed logo would look amazing. I am unsure how much the light from the LEDs will internally reflect, which would be required to get the glowing logo effect. All this talk of internal reflection reminds me of the FTIR (frustrated total internal reflection) see-through touchscreens. When I first saw one of these I couldn't quite make one, but now I have all the woodworking skills I need :idea: This is what I am on about:

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To make one of these all you need are strips of IR LEDs, Plexiglas, a projector (ideally short throw), a webcam and a PC/laptop to control it all. Despite this they retail for about $5000 (a markup similar to DJ Facades!) It really could be an ideal project for someone on here, so I thought I should share it amongst you guys... I'd love to see a build thread of one of these (hopefully MY build thread at some point!). If you want more info search for "FTIR touchscreen". Having one of these for 'posh' gigs like weddings or corporate gigs would look very, very impressive.

Sorry for derail there, hope it helps/inspires someone :)

Meanwhile...

After running through all this jig making today, I can really see the advantage of a saw table!! I could have had the planks of wood chopped up to an exact size and all the grooves cut in under an hour I reckon. As it is, it has taken me a whole day to get to this point. I would buy one tomorrow if I could, but as ever it comes down to £$€¥. It sucks being unemployed... I think I'd better get another IT contracting job so I can buy me some new toys! 6 weeks off has been great fun, but as I am now running out of money fast, it is quickly becoming not fun! I've got another pair of Otops to build yet (and the 5th and 6th T30, and that touchscreen etc etc etc :chainsaw: :chainsaw: :lol: )

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:clap: Good on you for starting your facade build! I'm about to post some pics of my progress. I can tell you that I'm already sort of wishing I went with plexi. My center section is roughly 40" square; that is a lot of exposed fabric. If I don't fab up some kind of "carrying case" for it soon, I can see the fabric getting ripped and/or dirty. It DOES look pretty nifty in it's new, prisitine-white state, however. 8)

Edge-lit plexi looks amazing, especially if there's a logo routed into it. Depending on the thickness of your plexi (did you say it's 3mm?) I think your speaker logo would look badass dead center on the panel. Looking forward to your progress. :)

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miked wrote::clap: Good on you for starting your facade build!
Seeing yours just made me want mine more, so many thanks for that! :) I was going to opt for Lycra myself because of the price, but that Plexi on eBay got my juices flowing... about half the price what it would normally be - "it must be a sign", I thought, "or maybe some other bit of advertising hardware" :lol: . The only issue is that it is only 1200mmx800mm, so my centre square will be 800mmx800mm of plexi, with another 35mm coming from each side of the frame, but that's still only 870mm square... I really wanted a metre plus, but it still covers amp racks, wires and the like. My CDJ flight case looks ok, so I don't mind if that is a little on show.
miked wrote: I'm about to post some pics of my progress. I can tell you that I'm already sort of wishing I went with plexi. My center section is roughly 40" square; that is a lot of exposed fabric. If I don't fab up some kind of "carrying case" for it soon, I can see the fabric getting ripped and/or dirty. It DOES look pretty nifty in it's new, prisitine-white state, however. 8)
Looking forward to seeing it. You could make a nice flight case for it to keep it clean and pristine :wink:
miked wrote:Edge-lit plexi looks amazing, especially if there's a logo routed into it. Depending on the thickness of your plexi (did you say it's 3mm?) I think your speaker logo would look badass dead center on the panel. Looking forward to your progress. :)
Bugger... so do I. I think I can order some plexi samples from a shop I saw. I could experiment routing on them. I think that the biggest enemy is heat from the blades. As I've only got 3mm to play with, the deepest it can be is 1mm (although I'd probably go with 0.5mm).. unsure how much this would show, although I do like subtle. I think the logo is to be decided upon after the build. It will be easy enough to add post build anyway.

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I just thought of something. There are plenty of companies that will print any logo on any type of "sticker paper." Possibly you could email your logo to one of those places and have them print up several copies of your logo on opaque-type plastic with a sticky back? Hope I'm explaining that well enough. Exactly like a die-cut sticker, except it is opaque to let the light shine through. Then you'd have no worries about routing. Another option, and one that is TYPICALLY used with doing this exact task on glass and plexi is sandblasting. You'd have to find a place to do that though, and provide them with a template, most probably. Just some thoughts for you. :)

If you do route it yourself, I'd definitely use a test piece first to get the depth correct and route it BEFORE installing it in the frame, of course. You'll crack it in half, otherwise, and possibly drop your spinning router on your foot. Not good. :chainsaw: One big plus to routing it yourself: You've done this task before on all your Tubas, so you have some muscle memory for the task. It can only help you.

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3 Perspex samples ordered. Now I can test to see if routing will be OK. :fingers:

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You putting "Plexiglas" at the end of your thread title inspired me to change mine. I think they look pretty cool together on the subject listing, and it will really help out those searching for a particular thread. Cheers, mate! *clink beers*

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Just found a technical doc about routing Plexiglas (well, "Acrylite FF Perspex Sheet") here, so hopefully I can't cock it up :lol: When they talk about a spindle speed of 10,000rpm, I got no idea.... my router only goes from 1 to 7!! May have to see what it can do and extrapolate.

Oh and 'chink'. I'll may have to make this my last one, as it's already 3:30am here! :wink: I thought having another "DJ Facade" could get confusing, and DJ Facade #2 sounded like it was my second attempt - what then could I call my *real* 2nd attempt! :lol:

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The manual that came with your router should have a chart to show relative spindle speeds at each speed setting. My router is variable-speed and I know that the highest setting, "5" is 25K rpm. I have no idea what the lower numbers are. :oops: With plexi, the speed is important b/c of heat. Higher bit RPM=more heat=melted plexi. Not good. If your router is 7-speed, I'd set the speed on 4 for the test piece and see how that works out. And THAT is precisely why we do "test pieces" first. :clap:

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Drilling Plexi is a right proper PITA. I had to put some up on a fence to prevent arms and legs passing through. OMG Pain!

Can cut it easy and accurately with a table saw, 60 Tooth trim Blade on a Circ. Saw, Continuous rim 'Turbo' Diamond Blade on a four inch grinder but to drill it :bash:

I just ended up using my soldering iron to poke through it for the cable ties. Drill with care.
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Titanium Hand wrote:Drilling Plexi is a right proper PITA. I had to put some up on a fence to prevent arms and legs passing through. OMG Pain!

Can cut it easy and accurately with a table saw, 60 Tooth trim Blade on a Circ. Saw, Continuous rim 'Turbo' Diamond Blade on a four inch grinder but to drill it :bash:

I just ended up using my soldering iron to poke through it for the cable ties. Drill with care.
Thanks for the tips :) Luckily NO drilling to do. Just 2 80cm cuts... haven't got ANY plexi spare, so they'd better be bang on! Luckily the cut pieces will be hidden by the frame, so no biggie if it's a little rough. I have actually been thinking of cutting a 'wavy' edge with a jogsaw to give me a bit more plexi on display - only the tips of the 'waves' would touch the edge of the frame, giving me a few more cm of plexi on display. Does that make sense? Unsure if cutting with a jigsaw whether to use a metal blade (with far more teeth) or a wood one. Luckily I am getting 3 'samples' from another company, so I can test on them - gotta love free stuff!

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Nothing to report today other than sanding down the wood for a nicer finish. Everything is on hold until the plexi arrives (hurry up!).

I did have a bit of a (painful) eureka moment today. I have been pricing up the LEDs, controller and PSU which was starting to mount up. A few hours later I stubbed my toe on an old computer PSU (I fix PCs) and realized that one of these PSUs has a 12V output which is what the lights require. Checked the amperage and it's 10A... I only need about 8. All the electronics are going in the back of the amp rack, so size isn't an issue. £15 saved... nice!

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Isn't it nice to repurpose old electronics and save a bit of coin? I'm sure you know about jumping the green wire and any black (ground) wire on the ATX connector in order to get the PSU to start up, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.

Hopefully you have enough empty space in your rack for the PSU and the associated cabling. Please remember to solder/shrink wrap AND stress relieve any joined wires b/t the PSU and the LED lights. This goes along my "MILSPEC" line of thought. The way I do things, all wires are tied down/wrapped around something, so that there is no way they can be disconnected if some dumbass trips over/pulls on/stumbles over them. I.E. a power cord running to an amp rack is first looped through one of the handles on the rack before plugging it in. I'm sure you get my drift.

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miked wrote:Isn't it nice to repurpose old electronics and save a bit of coin? I'm sure you know about jumping the green wire and any black (ground) wire on the ATX connector in order to get the PSU to start up, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.

Hopefully you have enough empty space in your rack for the PSU and the associated cabling. Please remember to solder/shrink wrap AND stress relieve any joined wires b/t the PSU and the LED lights. This goes along my "MILSPEC" line of thought. The way I do things, all wires are tied down/wrapped around something, so that there is no way they can be disconnected if some dumbass trips over/pulls on/stumbles over them. I.E. a power cord running to an amp rack is first looped through one of the handles on the rack before plugging it in. I'm sure you get my drift.
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#14 Post by miked »

Good point, Grant. I guess it is really "situation dependent." I try as much as possible to make things tip-over-proof or just put them out of harm's way. I admit that I over-analyze everything, and not always with the perfect-answer-result. All we can do is try, right? :)

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Thanks Miked for the green wire to black trick... I already knew this, but it's handy if anyone else needs to know how to do it. I purchased a switch to do the connecting (as I might not always want the power supply on if I am not using the facade). I also made a hole in a 1U blank panel for it to fit into. My fake dremel is now on it's last legs after making this hole - buy once etc. I did buy it MANY years ago though, when I needed to fit 2 PSU's into one PC case and it was this mod where I learned about green to black=power on! :) Anyway, the switch had 3 connections... 2 of them were connected to either side of the switch, and the other was ground for the LED. As both green and black are at 0V anyway, this caused me a problem as I had no voltage to then put across the LED. After a few minutes though, I remembered that PSUs have a -5V, so I could use that on the 'ground' pin to get my potential difference and 'pull' a voltage across the LED :hyper: I didn't realise that PSUs also have a -12V and the LED was 12V, so I got it coming on with the full brightness that it should do! :noob:

After wiring up the LED and installing the PSU in the rack (attached to a 4U panel in the rear), I powered up a few things, the voltage dropped - from 11.7 to 11 simply by attaching a 0.24A fan :bull: The PSU must be one that I have pulled from a PC, but it is obviously on it's way out. I will have to swap it for another one! :wall: Luckily I have several though :D

Another handy thing of having the PSU in the case is that I shouldn't need any 'wall-warts' :fingers: I am planning on getting an MP3 recorder which needs a 12V one to run... I can chuck the 12V adapter in the spares draw and just run it direct off the PSU. I am also hoping to get individually addressable LEDs at some point, so I can have chase patterns around the facade. These run on 5V, so I can tap the 5V line on the PSU. It's just so handy having a DC power supply in the rack. I have even used a spare 30cm of white LED lighting that I had left over from my flightcase lighting to illuminate the inside of the rack... just solder a lead from yellow and black on the PSU onto the pads on the LED strip and stick it on the roof of the rack.. job done.

I have been working on other bits of the facade, but as I forgot to take any pics, I'll update it properly tomorrow night.

Thanks for tuning in :)

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