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#1 Post by UROK »

Prominent dance music venue in Beijing newly-opened. Using what I think were Nexo Alphas complete with amps and controllers in the racks.
Set up very strangley with a double stack on one side of the DJ place and a single stack asymmetrically placed on the other.

Sound was nothing special at all unsurprisingly. The tops especially were distant and muddy.

TBH IMO the youtube vids of BFD systems sound better!

Then I checked the price and nearly had a coronary! :shock: :shock: :shock:
So, it IS true what Bill and you guys keep saying? (Not that I doubted it for an instant just I have comparatively little experience of the industry.)
I think I need one of those near-blasphemous T-shirts!

There are no graphs I can find and the blurb says capable of 138dB peak @ 1m. Sheesh. Even I can see through that!
Huge boxes, 18s and 30,000quid+? :noob:

Guess I broke my cherry! :lol:

Thanks Bill, Leland, and all you guys for sharing and educating me thus far. :clap: I am truly grateful.

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#2 Post by el_ingeniero »

If Nexo stuff is set up right, it can shine.

Write it down to operator malfunction.

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#3 Post by UROK »

el_ingeniero wrote: If Nexo stuff is set up right, it can shine.
[John Cleese voice] Should bleedin' well hope so at those prices! :broke: :lol:

Nothing against Nexo or the guys running the place. The point I am making badly is that I am beginning to fully appreciate what Bill's designs and Leland's and the forum's support offer the DIY builder.

To know what was going on (actually to even recognise the speakers), to know how to improve what was there, and to know I can afford to eventually have a rig that can do better is what I take away as a learner. :D

All the same Abashanti, King Earthquake, Jah Tubby, Messenger - all those UK reggae scoop bin sound systems :bash: what I heard out of those Nexos though.

Like you say, bad deployment? Maybe the space too? (Very long, narrow room - 100m x 20m? - with DJ place in middle, main Nexo system pointing towards dance area and what I guess is their older rig pointing the opposite direction towards the seating - although that was set at really odd angles almost like someone forgot to finally position the cabs. :confused: )

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el_ingeniero wrote:If Nexo stuff is set up right, it can shine.
Write it down to operator malfunction.
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Good food, good people, good times.

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UROK wrote:
el_ingeniero wrote: If Nexo stuff is set up right, it can shine.
[John Cleese voice] Should bleedin' well hope so at those prices! :broke: :lol:

Nothing against Nexo or the guys running the place. The point I am making badly is that I am beginning to fully appreciate what Bill's designs and Leland's and the forum's support offer the DIY builder.

To know what was going on (actually to even recognise the speakers), to know how to improve what was there, and to know I can afford to eventually have a rig that can do better is what I take away as a learner. :D

All the same Abashanti, King Earthquake, Jah Tubby, Messenger - all those UK reggae scoop bin sound systems :bash: what I heard out of those Nexos though.
Like you say, bad deployment? Maybe the space too? (Very long, narrow room - 100m x 20m? - with DJ place in middle, main Nexo system pointing towards dance area and what I guess is their older rig pointing the opposite direction towards the seating - although that was set at really odd angles almost like someone forgot to finally position the cabs. :confused: )
Nexo cabs come with a proprietary processor box, that does a bunch of deep DSP magic. They don't set themselves up though, and you still have to get placement right.

At the Shanghai Expo, a Peruvian band (bass, guitar, keys, pan pipes, vocals) was using pair of small Nexo tops with a small (T24 size) Chinese made bandpass sub in the Central American pavilion, in a circular room with a dome top about 60' across. They had no trouble filling the room, and I could feel the sub hitting my gut from 30 feet away. I stood about 3 feet from one of the tops set athead height, which I would ordinarily never do, and was perfectly comfortable with 110+ dB right in the ear--I for sure can't do that with Mackie or Behringer powered speakers.

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#6 Post by UROK »

Yes, I saw the controllers in the rack alongside Nexo amps and other amps I didn't recognize (silver with dual hexagonal or maybe octagonal vents on the front).

The bass was there just nothing spectacular. Perhaps they reined it in for the room acoustics? They do warehouse parties in 798, the huge art district in N BJ, so probably the extra capacity is there for that. But placement was wrong - split subs, side by side tops, asymmetric positioning...

The tops were what I noticed or rather didn't notice. That presence at a distance wasn't there. Think I could discern comb filtering as I walked around.

I know the guys who DJ there and run the place thru mutual friends so next time will chat. Just didn't wanna start blah blah blahing straight off the bat especially as I know next to nothing and was there with an exquisite Chinese girl for a good night out rather than trainspotting!

And, I mean, they are aware enough to buy Nexo, right?

Anyway, just having an idea what I was listening for is this noob's lesson. And mad props go to this forum and the
open sharing vibe. Thank you Bill. Thank you Leland. Thank you all. I have a LOT still to learn but slowly theory is turning into practice...

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I wonder: considering that average salary (and therefore the available cash ordinary people can throw around on an everyday basis) is about 1/10th of that in the US, and Nexo gear is viciously expensive (like $8K for a processor and pair of tops as far as I can tell), I'm suspicious where they got the funds for a full rig, when I can't afford it (and I do better than most people in the US).

Maybe Nexo is selling their stuff at a big discount in the PRC, but aside from that you might not want to find out ....

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There is no shortage of wealthy people in PRC. They just get outnumbered by the dirt poor by another order of magnitude comparing with the US.

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el_ingeniero wrote:I wonder: considering that average salary (and therefore the available cash ordinary people can throw around on an everyday basis) is about 1/10th of that in the US, and Nexo gear is viciously expensive (like $8K for a processor and pair of tops as far as I can tell), I'm suspicious where they got the funds for a full rig, when I can't afford it (and I do better than most people in the US).

Maybe Nexo is selling their stuff at a big discount in the PRC, but aside from that you might not want to find out ....
Hehehe suitcases full of "back door" (under-the-table) cash??? It happens. I used to work for a very upmarket Hong Kong fashion store here in BJ and women would come in at the beginning of every season to the VIP suite with their body guards carrying suitcases full of cash (sometimes near a hundred thousand USD), buy whatever was new (even if it made them look like a dog's dinner) and disappear until the following season.

It happens too even in the legitimate world. My friend from San Francisco is married to a Chinese woman. His Jeep (which they make here now) is falling apart - coz it's old not coz it's badly made (which they are). He was wondering about getting finance for a new vehicle when all of a sudden aunts, uncles, inlaws, the whole family offered tens of thousands of dollars IN CASH interest free. No-body does credit, the sales guy told him. They all buy cars outright in cash.

Chinese generally still think like farmers. Practical utility and save for a rainy day. Where else would you be told that your apartment is too big for just one person? Excellent! :)

The answer to the question about where money for Nexo stuff came from is easy - when several thousand people is nothing (in a city of 20 million) big warehouse parties (at $20-30 a head) can be very profitable indeed and these guys have been at it for years. No doubt that's where the cash came from.

Or maybe it's grandma Wang wanting to be hip and lending them cash she hides under her bed so she can get down to a bit of tech-house?!

Gregory East wrote:There is no shortage of wealthy people in PRC. They just get outnumbered by the dirt poor by another order of magnitude comparing with the US.
Gregory is right. The wealthy are VERY wealthy. Up in Inner Mongolia there's a town with the highest GDP and largest number of billionaires in the world. Ten or twenty years ago they were all farmers. Now, after the discovery of coal and mineral wealth, it's like Dallas (the TV show).

And forget the discreet taste. This is arriviste nouveau riche heaven - pink Ferraris, orange Lamborghinis, bright yellow Porsches, all the LV, Cartier, Rolexes, Ralph Lauren etc that you can shake a stick at - in the only nightclub in the place! That's all cash too.

In BJ you often see one of those gaudy supercars zoom past you on the ring roads breaking the speed limit. But a cop has gotta be mad if he pulls over a twenty-something driving one of those because you just know his father is way up in the government or at least has connections there.

The general consensus is that people with THAT kind of money have made it through corruption, rip-offs, and short-cuts. The gap between the richest and poorest is dizzying. 2/3rds of the population still in the country on less than a dollar a day but in the cities (especially Shanghai) there's wealth that'll talk in London, New York or LA.

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UROK wrote:
Gregory East wrote:There is no shortage of wealthy people in PRC. They just get outnumbered by the dirt poor by another order of magnitude comparing with the US.
Gregory is right. The wealthy are VERY wealthy. Up in Inner Mongolia there's a town with the highest GDP and largest number of billionaires in the world. Ten or twenty years ago they were all farmers. Now, after the discovery of coal and mineral wealth, it's like Dallas (the TV show).

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The general consensus is that people with THAT kind of money have made it through corruption, rip-offs, and short-cuts. The gap between the richest and poorest is dizzying. 2/3rds of the population still in the country on less than a dollar a day but in the cities (especially Shanghai) there's wealth that'll talk in London, New York or LA.
My wife has a college roommate who lives in Inner Mongolia now ... she ripped off her boss by taking kickbacks for steering orders to a competitor, then bought and furnished a second house with the proceeds even nicer than the one she co-owns with her husband. The kicker is that the husband knows nothing at all about the second house.

For that matter, my wife had a colleague at her old sales job, that kept the contact information to a major customer to himself, then left and tried to start up his own business in competition. I was able to google the name of the business, and my wife was able to take it from there, so now the ex-colleague is broke.

That's just people I know about.

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el_ingeniero wrote: My wife has a college roommate who lives in Inner Mongolia now ... she ripped off her boss by taking kickbacks for steering orders to a competitor, then bought and furnished a second house with the proceeds even nicer than the one she co-owns with her husband. The kicker is that the husband knows nothing at all about the second house.

For that matter, my wife had a colleague at her old sales job, that kept the contact information to a major customer to himself, then left and tried to start up his own business in competition. I was able to google the name of the business, and my wife was able to take it from there, so now the ex-colleague is broke.

That's just people I know about.
These sorts of stories abound. Recently, a prominent charity head was sacked after his mistress blog posted photos of their love nest, cars, and her trinkets, borbels, shoes, and bags that he'd bought her with money embezzled from the needy. She did it to show her friends she was no loser! Once that went viral he was gone and she was dumped!

In fact, this is a message I'd like to impress upon all you American guys. The very idea of an open forum like this one in China is laughable. Bill's IP would be ripped off in an instant with no come back for him. There'd be commercial production under other names with fake and inferior parts, there'd be supplying of all kinds of shonky goods from whoever a Chinese Leland might be, and no-one is going to share the advice and experience that we find so readily here.

To my mind, as a Brit, it is one of America's greatest strengths that you, as a culture, as a society are advanced enough in something as abstract as trusting people you will never meet in person with your life's work or passion. And it pains me every time I hear US people talking negatively about the good ol' US of A. Without you China would be absolutely rudderless. The race to imitate America in everything other than frank admission that that is what they are doing drives China. China wants to be America - basketball courts are full of kids wearing NBA merchandise (not European soccer shirts), KFC is a gigantic success here, millions apply for study at a US university every year and so on and on. They aren't doing Tai Chi Quan and reading the ancient classics! And the day China has anything like the cultural output of the States in terms of architecture, music, art, movies, literature etc is centuries away. Never mind hi-tech industries, science, and medicine. The much-vaunted moon exploration programme (yet more aping of American policy) has no plans for a manned mission for at least two decades!

The Economist recently cited an Asia Development Bank study which based on the most optimistic assumptions put Chinese as half as wealthy per head as Americans by 2050. Less optimistic assumptions see China (and perhaps India) caught in a 'middle class trap' where genuine wealth and innovation are stifled and the economy stagnates. Healthcare in a rapidly aging population is a major concern. If you have billionaires and stratospheric GDP growth what use is it if the majority are left behind and the social institutions are non-existent? Percentage share of world trade is one thing. Social justice an entirely different kettle of fish.

The point I have made before is how well China has played the PR game to place itself seemingly alongside America on the world stage. Laughable in reality. China just bought it's first aircraft carrier - actually a Ukranian-built hull they picked up on the cheap onto which they plonked a flight deck built in Dalian (a port city in north east China). For now it's a training vessel only. Why? Because China doesn't have technology or skilled enough pilots to land on a moving airport at sea. At the same time though in public China lambasts America for wielding power at a distance around the world and abstains on UN resolutions on Syrian state murder of unarmed civilians.

And why is China buying this military technology when the policy of non-interference (mei you ban fa)[where trade supposedly with no strings enables dealing with odious African regimes in return for raw materials] is touted as part of the so-called 'Beijing model' (open economics but illiberal politics)? Becuase Libya (from where 3000 Chinese oil workers had be evacuated at short notice when it all kicked off) showed them that non-interference is based on absolute superiority and that events, events my dear boy can occur beyond their sphere of influence. Hardly deft handling of global politics. Just like how China has alienated all the countries around it's coast from S Korea to Vietnam.

The day China is fit to lead the world with anything like the sense of purpose of America if it ever comes will be itself down to American influence even if America has faded (which I don't believe it will - remember Japan? the Asian Tigers?)

America is very very far from perfect but your strength is talking about where the shortfalls and what the problems are whereas here me even putting on a mask of President Hu in Tiananmen Square would have me arrested, imprisoned, and deported never mind opening public debate about state corruption, exploitation of workers, secret prisons, and human rights.

Can you tell I feel rather strongly about this? :mrgreen: Sorry to get a bit political Mr Moderator! :roll: Back to puns about the length of my horn! :lol:

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UROK, be careful or the Great Firewall will be blocking this site.

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UROK wrote:<SNIPPED FOR LENGTH>In fact, this is a message I'd like to impress upon all you American guys. The very idea of an open forum like this one in China is laughable. Bill's IP would be ripped off in an instant with no come back for him. There'd be commercial production under other names with fake and inferior parts, there'd be supplying of all kinds of shonky goods from whoever a Chinese Leland might be, and no-one is going to share the advice and experience that we find so readily here.
This entire post/rant was EPIC! Thanks for taking the time to type that up. I enjoyed it.
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el_ingeniero wrote:UROK, be careful or the Great Firewall will be blocking this site.
Hehehe all encrypted over VPN, el ingeniero.

Run by? Yep, you guessed it - super-geeks in San Francisco - U!S!A!

Without a VPN the internet here is a mess. An insult to humanity. Images are blocked. Youtube and FB blocked (can't have people TALKING to one another). Add in cheap PCs and cracked software...

It would be QED if they did block me accessing here coz of what I wrote above, though, wouldn't it?

Even Leland's site is blocked for some reason.

[BTW don't mention China to Leland, guys - importing his shipment has taken over TWO MONTHS at customs with all kinds of red tape and hoop jumping. They refused to believe the invoice price so we sent them the seller invoice, then we had to list standard product names and written descriptions and provide photos of everything, then we had to provide screen shots of his website to prove pricing...Eventually they agreed that the invoice price was correct - making it seem like they are doing us a favour agreeing to the f-ing truth - but it has now degenerated to the point where they want him to list the max and min lengths of all the screws and bolts! I have no idea why but I fear Mr Crooks may resort to building an enormous subwoofer in a hollowed-out volcano to point in this general direction! ]

The US host blocks Chinese IP addresses accessing Bill's site. Phew!
jswingchun wrote:This entire post/rant was EPIC! Thanks for taking the time to type that up. I enjoyed it.
You're welcome!

You know, it wasn't until I came to Beijing that I hung out with so many US people.

In a bar during the soccer world cup last year I overheard two Americans evidently on a first date. They were frankly admitting their character flaws to one another! He was saying stuff like yes, I realise I'm too results driven which I guess comes from when I was young...blah, she was like, when I feel insecure I can be very passive aggressive...blah

There's no other nationality I know that has the strength to admit their weaknesses like that!

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UROK wrote:[BTW don't mention China to Leland, guys - importing his shipment has taken over TWO MONTHS at customs with all kinds of red tape and hoop jumping. They refused to believe the invoice price so we sent them the seller invoice, then we had to list standard product names and written descriptions and provide photos of everything, then we had to provide screen shots of his website to prove pricing...Eventually they agreed that the invoice price was correct - making it seem like they are doing us a favour agreeing to the f-ing truth - but it has now degenerated to the point where they want him to list the max and min lengths of all the screws and bolts! I have no idea why but I fear Mr Crooks may resort to building an enormous subwoofer in a hollowed-out volcano to point in this general direction! ]
Clearly, there's a bribe that needs paying.

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