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Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 12:13 am
by Grant Bunter
At last, got time for a pic!

28” on the left vs 20” right:

Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 8:36 pm
by Strange Kevin
What is this now, 10 years latter? :)
(I guess only 5 years on the 28")

Looking good Grant!

For whatever reason, your 28" cab looks Wayyy bigger than my 24" T39s.
Sorry if you mentioned it earlier, but, how much more difficult is it to transport compared to you smaller ones?

Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 10:20 pm
by Grant Bunter
Strange Kevin wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 8:36 pm What is this now, 10 years latter? :)
(I guess only 5 years on the 28")

Looking good Grant!

For whatever reason, your 28" cab looks Wayyy bigger than my 24" T39s.
Sorry if you mentioned it earlier, but, how much more difficult is it to transport compared to you smaller ones?
G'day Kevin,
I promised pics one day, so I did lol...

I think IIRC I built the 20's out of structural pine. They feel like they weigh about the same as the 28's, which are built form non structural pine. So from that point of view, no different.

Similarly, I find the larger width easier to spin on it's wheels to wiggle sideways for example, or flip on it's side.
The only thing more difficult with the 28's is trying to reach to the other side to dead lift them, but it's just not as easy, but not impossible.

Transport? Pffft, they all roll up the ramp and into the Pantech. I have amassed enough to start going a second upper layer yet, Everything goes in (including backline) on the floor...

Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:28 pm
by Grant Bunter
Well, another update!

In this thread:
viewtopic.php?t=26498

I asked about increased output by replacing the original BP102's in my 20" wide T39's with KL3010LF's.
While the output wouldn't increase phenomenally, the advantage of being able to set and forget a 50V limit for any sub of mine I use was/is very appealing.

So, lets go

Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:48 pm
by Grant Bunter
Sorry, they're not in order, but top to bottom pics wise:
4 x KL301LF's to me.
After the mod.
Corner pieces of 1/4" ply as supports.
Baffle enlargement completed and blocks applied.
Radical Surgery.
Baffle mod jigs with driver in place. Inner basket top, outer basket bottom.
Pulled driver for the first time in errr ?13years.

My initial plan was to mount the mod jigs with ply spacers that maintained baffle angle and allowed routing.
Measuring and planning, the 3010 basket is about 1/4" larger than the BP102 basket.
So I knocked out the T nuts (these were built just around the time when recommended driver attachment was soon to become screws)
Don't let anyone tell you that epoxy won't last.
Then made the jigs.
Then I found I couldn't easily locally find a long enough router bit to do the mod.

So plan B became radical surgery.
Cut out the baffle maintaining enough to put it back in.
Added blocks for the first one as I'd knocked out the T nuts.
Added supports, modded baffle glued back in and tidied up some.
Cab 1 of 4 is done provided it passes all leak tests etc.
Driver burn in yet to be done.

Rinse and repeat so far for cab 2, except I left the T nuts in place. If they still line up afterwards, great, faster, less damage...

Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:10 pm
by Seth
:clap:
Well done. It's amazing how good the cabs look after that much time. They look brand new!

Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:04 pm
by Grant Bunter
Seth wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:10 pm :clap:
Well done. It's amazing how good the cabs look after that much time. They look brand new!
Regular coats of paint fixes the appearance.
Can't say the same for the insides checking drivers etc...

Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 10:53 am
by howiez
Looks awesome! I have to try some of those neodymium drivers someday. Love the light-weight possibility...

Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 11:34 am
by Bruce Weldy
howiez wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 10:53 am Looks awesome! I have to try some of those neodymium drivers someday. Love the light-weight possibility...
Every BFM build I've done was been with Neos. Except the SLA as there isn't a Neo available for that. Every pound saved is worth it.

At least to us old guys.....
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Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 11:35 am
by Bruce Weldy
Looking good Grant.

Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 2:17 pm
by Tom Smit
I like your "fix" Grant! I have BP102s in my 20" T39s and someday I might go with the 3012s. I hadn't quite figured out how I was going to do it but, after seeing yours, I now know how I will do it. Yee haw! Good work you done did.

Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:45 pm
by Grant Bunter
Tom Smit wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 2:17 pm I like your "fix" Grant! I have BP102s in my 20" T39s and someday I might go with the 3012s. I hadn't quite figured out how I was going to do it but, after seeing yours, I now know how I will do it. Yee haw! Good work you done did.
Tom, I think you would have to approach it differently to retrofit 3012LFs. You might almost consider taking out all panel 7(s), the panel 6 extension, and the upper access panel flange IMHO to give you the room to go to a 12".
It's one reason why I chose the 3010LF instead, but to be honest I didn't think I'd have to be quite so radical.

I guess the message for everyone else who may be about to build is: If you think you're going to upgrade later, future proof your build. For 12's, put in an adapter if you plan to go with 10's initially...

Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 10:08 pm
by Tom Smit
Grant, you may be right. I will know for sure if you are, if (a big "if") I actually do a transplant....and I will let you know at that time. :)

Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:54 am
by Grant Bunter
Got to finishing these off today!

Driver breakin:
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I didn't have to cut the baffle out for the last 2 cabs.
I found these circular 60 grit flap disks, which let me enlarge the driver spacing without removing the baffle.
For this revision, I nominate them MVT:
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Last driver in after leak test:
The dust cap on the KL3010LF sits proud by 9/16" compared to the BP102, so I trimmed 3/8" off the access cover brace for clearance.
Done!

Re: T39: 4 x 20", 2 x 28" completed

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 4:22 am
by Seth
Grant Bunter wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:54 am I found these circular 60 grit flap disks, which let me enlarge the driver spacing without removing the baffle.
That's a phenomenally creative solution. F'n love it! Well done. :clap: