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Corner placement is preferred, but where smoothing room modes is concerned that doesn't always come with corner placement. The middle of the four walls often works best. There are room placement modeling programs. I've never tried one, but it's worth looking into.

Is it possible to hang the subs at the ceiling? If so, that might help you to locate the subs in the needed locations.
I don't envy your struggles.

Wylandright206 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:20 pm ...I am going to need to try just about every trick in the book.

Ceiling mounting subs is an option that can, a lot of times, work around a challenging floor plan. However, testing prospective speaker locations is a little more labor intensive.

EDIT: Oops, didn't see Tom's unbelievably brilliant post

Bill Fitzmaurice wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:10 pm Corner placement is preferred, but where smoothing room modes is concerned that doesn't always come with corner placement. The middle of the four walls often works best. There are room placement modeling programs. I've never tried one, but it's worth looking into.

Room EQ wizard has a fantastic room simulation tool built right into it, it's hidden in plain sight. Lol I told myself I'd buy smaart eventually but REW is amazing, they keep adding game changing features and unless I bought into powersoft/armonia I see no need to waste the money. Rew is a superior platform in my opinion. There's just a lot of tools there, and the offline predictive modeling is an absolutely crazy workflow.

Subs in the air might work but it would also be an engineering challenge to say the least. We did not factor this in when building the enclosures so we would need to design some sort of external fly system, not to mention the massive grid that's being driven by 20 600w 24v power supplies, plus like 30 something movers along the edges of the walls we would need to work around. I am trying my very best to avoid upsetting the neighbors and I think 1 of those corners may be a noise bleed issue if there was just a monster horn radiating right next to those windows and the open front entrance. I could try opposing corners but am I going to hang 2 subs per corner? Even greater engineering challenge. Middle of the wall on either side might be my best bet for now. One of those walls is brick and one is gypsum and potentially slightly in the way, so we will see if it's practical. If it solves the bass problem it's well worth it IMO.

Since Vice has opened last year we have had some absolutely massive names in dance music come through our doors, such as A-trak, Apashe, Bear Gryllz, Autograf, SNBRN, VNSSA, Pickle, Bijou, Lee Foss, Cash Cash, Drezo, Boombox Cartel, and Whipped Cream, plus a handful of comedians lol we had Faison Love from Elf perform too. This has been such a gratifying project! Feels pretty sweet watching producers I've followed for 10+ years playing tunes I love on speakers Dev and I built. And soon we will be featuring the US debut of FLOWDAN!!

That's good news to hear. What a great update.

Awesome!

Wylandright206 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:22 pm ..Feels pretty sweet watching producers I've followed for 10+ years playing tunes I love on speakers Dev and I built..

That's wicked man!

Flowdan was originally going to play at another local club that I'm going to refrain from naming, but there was so much outcry about the quality of their sound system that they moved the show to vice pretty amusing to read all the threads about it on social media. That other club actually has much larger horns, 2x JBL ash6118 and a pair of double 18s. And I bet you that sound system takes up a hell of a lot more real estate than mine at vice does

Awesome to see your club is getting known for good sound, and not just for badges on overpriced name brand speakers. Rave on!

Not a single grille in the whole foh is marked, if you wanna know more about the rig you gotta come find me and I'll talk your ear off about it

I'd like to acknowledge you, Wyland. Good quality equipment is certainly a good start, but the magic happens when it's set up by someone who's knowledgeable, cares, and has taken the time to do so.

You've done really well at building your knowledge and putting what you've learned into practical experience. You're more deserving of accolade's than the gear, the club, and the guest DJ's in many respects.

Well done, sir. Well done.

Thank you for the kind words! Lots of learning as I go I think if you just learn how to learn, it becomes much easier to try adjacent projects. I had never used power sequencers, open architecture DSP, Dante, or heat maps before last year. But the training is available for free online, and with a little bit of studying and a couple bucks on eBay I ended up with 2 killer installs this year, plus a pretty elaborate Dante network on a Symetrix open architecture DSP with a nice Yamaha mixer for my personal rig.

Those old symetrix radius units sell for as low as 350 used on eBay.... For 64x64 channels of Dante that's crazy. Do the training and swoop one. You will be unstoppable I patched a USB avio to mine and made an internal loop back, patched the input to a mic preamp on the DSP and now I don't even need a separate interface for FFT. Can measure directly from the DSP preamp

Symetrix has a pretty amusing super module called "the clamp aka DJ tamer" that is a peak limiter with some automatic gain reduction beyond 6db of compression. I find this to be an exceptionally clean and effective limiter. The peak limiter itself is pretty transparent but with the added average gain reduction it prevents you from really compressing the signal too much.