Thanks Levlhed,
Keeping it simple like you recommended has much appeal, and I like the idea and simplicity of the SLA build maybe even the TLAH. Not that the DR's couldn't be done just that I am working with a GC with the builds and if we can save some time on the builds we can put the xtra $$ into other areas. The SLA or TLAH will be cased into the wall and laquered after the final build to match the general wood tones of the finished basement.
Are the TT's more musical than the THT's? At this point I don't know if the previously mentioned zone cabs will be needed for the pool table area.
This may be a stupid question but I want to ask anyway. If I was to go with a simple stereo system with L and R and subs, I could then go with pro amps and processing hooked into a computer which in turn could use an IPAD as a remote? Levels fixed on the mixer but amplified or attenuated via DAC through IPAD. Possible?
However if I go anymore than stereo I jump into consumer grade unbalanced HT Amps Rec and processing.
Now would that make running a little 4 or six channel mixer at the DJ booth a challenge?
Reason being that it will be used for karaoke and the occasional Dj spinning.
Again priority is Disco 1, HT/UFC fight nights 2nd.
If some of these come across as quite stupid or redundant questions I am new to this kind of project
and to be honest humbled by the apparent knowledge of some of you on this forum.
Thanks again
Jordy
Basement Disco System
Re: Basement Disco System
If you were going L/R + subs you would need at least 3 channels. So more than likely 2 pro amps.
I'd stick with home theater applications. These people sound fairly tech savy, possibly recommend they have a music server PC in the basement, housed in the DJ booth?
Have a HT Receiver that can do 100watts @ whatever ohms you need. 100watts of true power will give you 20dB of gain. So with SLA Pro you'd be looking at 115-120dB at 1m. That is far louder than I think these guys would ever want it. A different thread on the forums kinda of agreed clubs run at bout 105-110dB on the dance floor. Then buy a good plate amp from somewhere. If you went 2x THT or TT, corner loaded with 100watts per cab will make the house shake badly. If TT make sure it is high-passed, you can't trust partying people to not turn the bass dial to 11.
The reason I recommend the HT receiver is that is makes integration easy. S/PDIF or RCA input from a computer that is controlled by the remote app on ipad. RCA input from DJ booth. Most have iPod integration now days. Your all set. This years batch of receivers seem to all be jumping on the apple airplay bandwagon and will integrate with a wireless network and stream music from computers over the wireless. They could have their comp in the main part of the house and still control it with iPad and stream to down stairs. You can get stereo receivers that have a sub preout as well. Might save some bucks. Also you get built in EQ, crossover for subs etc etc and it will be a bit more intuitive for the average user.
If you are seriously worried about under powering the mains, get a HT receiver with preouts and add some power amps. EG: http://hifimediy.com/?page_id=18&catego ... duct_id=13 I'm pretty sure the SLA pro is 4 ohms? HifimeDiy's tripaths are highly recommended on diyaudio forums. You could also biamp from most modern 7.1 receivers.
If you are going to cross to the subs at 100Hz (as recommended for any SLA) make sure you have steep slope filters for the crossover. Eg use both the HT crossover and sub plate amp. You'd really be walking the line with sub localisation. This is what has lead me towards the TLAH, so I can cross over at bout 80Hz.
I'd stick with home theater applications. These people sound fairly tech savy, possibly recommend they have a music server PC in the basement, housed in the DJ booth?
Have a HT Receiver that can do 100watts @ whatever ohms you need. 100watts of true power will give you 20dB of gain. So with SLA Pro you'd be looking at 115-120dB at 1m. That is far louder than I think these guys would ever want it. A different thread on the forums kinda of agreed clubs run at bout 105-110dB on the dance floor. Then buy a good plate amp from somewhere. If you went 2x THT or TT, corner loaded with 100watts per cab will make the house shake badly. If TT make sure it is high-passed, you can't trust partying people to not turn the bass dial to 11.
The reason I recommend the HT receiver is that is makes integration easy. S/PDIF or RCA input from a computer that is controlled by the remote app on ipad. RCA input from DJ booth. Most have iPod integration now days. Your all set. This years batch of receivers seem to all be jumping on the apple airplay bandwagon and will integrate with a wireless network and stream music from computers over the wireless. They could have their comp in the main part of the house and still control it with iPad and stream to down stairs. You can get stereo receivers that have a sub preout as well. Might save some bucks. Also you get built in EQ, crossover for subs etc etc and it will be a bit more intuitive for the average user.
If you are seriously worried about under powering the mains, get a HT receiver with preouts and add some power amps. EG: http://hifimediy.com/?page_id=18&catego ... duct_id=13 I'm pretty sure the SLA pro is 4 ohms? HifimeDiy's tripaths are highly recommended on diyaudio forums. You could also biamp from most modern 7.1 receivers.
If you are going to cross to the subs at 100Hz (as recommended for any SLA) make sure you have steep slope filters for the crossover. Eg use both the HT crossover and sub plate amp. You'd really be walking the line with sub localisation. This is what has lead me towards the TLAH, so I can cross over at bout 80Hz.
Re: Basement Disco System
Hey Bass Me,
Thank you for the input. You have pointed to an option that a good tech savy friend of mine also pointed to. Using a receiver with pre outs to run outboard amps. He also recommended the QSC GX 3,5,7's as they have RCA in's as well as XLR. This will most likely give us the option to do 5 or 7.1 if in fact that is what the owner really wants.
I think I have narrowed my decision for mains down to either the SLA Pros or TLAH's. Subs, I was thinking for going with 2 LAB loaded THT's as this will double for home theatre. My lack of clarity though still surrounds how musical the THT's are. And how high can one xover the THT's without making them sound directional?
Could anyone offer me some hands on advice with these?
Thanks again
Thank you for the input. You have pointed to an option that a good tech savy friend of mine also pointed to. Using a receiver with pre outs to run outboard amps. He also recommended the QSC GX 3,5,7's as they have RCA in's as well as XLR. This will most likely give us the option to do 5 or 7.1 if in fact that is what the owner really wants.
I think I have narrowed my decision for mains down to either the SLA Pros or TLAH's. Subs, I was thinking for going with 2 LAB loaded THT's as this will double for home theatre. My lack of clarity though still surrounds how musical the THT's are. And how high can one xover the THT's without making them sound directional?
Could anyone offer me some hands on advice with these?
Thanks again
Re: Basement Disco System
You have to cross over at 100Hz or less to avoid directionality. This is the rule with any sub, the longer the wavelength of a sound the harder it is to localize due to the sound bending around your head to both ears at once.
When figuring this you also have to take into account the slope of your cross over. If your crossover slope is not steep the sub will continue to reproduce signal up to 200hz (1 octave). Which will make it at least partially noticeable. I personally am aiming for a cross over at about 80Hz with at least 24dB/oct of slope. This is why Bill recommends using both the receiver cross over and plate amp crossover to put a good filter in place. You have to remember a cross over is a slope and applies the full 24db (or whatever) of reduction 1 octave from where your cross over is set. So 80Hz crossover = 160Hz full reduction. 100Hz = 200Hz full reduction.
About the SLA Pro vs TLAH. The SLAP (SLA Pro) is bout 100db SPL with the recommended drivers. The TLAH is bout 95-97db SPL with the recommended drivers. Dolby (?) reference level is 105dB. As I said clubs run at about 105-110dB. So to power these to say 110dB the SLAP will need 10watts or so. The TLAH will need 20watts. Both of these amounts can easily be reached with a home av receiver. These figures of course are for only 1 cab. Every time you double cabs you gain 3dB for free (same as subs). So with 2 cabs the SLAP needs bout 5watts for 110db playback. The TLAH needs 10watts. Either option is going to be awfully loud in a basement.
So which to choose? Either is easily drivable to the levels you require. The TLAH will hit down to 80Hz or so with some authority. The SLAP drops off quickly at 100Hz. I'd go the TLAH with a 80Hz crossover which lets the THT's reinforce the TLAH in that 80-100Hz range but still drop away quickly for localization purposes.
2 other things to consider: (I know you don't need more but still) A line array is meant to be listened to at 2x it's height away from it. Eg: 40" Tlah = 80" listening distance or greater. Now you might not notice this even, but it is a recommendation for greatest integration of the wavefront. The SLAP and TLAH aren't that different so I wouldn't worry bout it.
2nd the bigger the driver for the woofer, the further away you should listen to the line array. Bigger drivers have a narrower dispersion and won't fill the room as well due to limited listening space. Smaller drivers have wider dispersion. Remember a line array's horizontal dispersion is only as good as the dispersion of one driver. It just fall's off much more smoothly as you move around the speaker.
From what I understand the THT and TT are both musical, in this regard though most people choose the TT because music doesn't need lower than 30Hz (very often ~ it does in special genre's or stupid over done recordings with faked in LFE). If they are going to this much effort get the THT it will be available for HT then without considerations of HP filters etc that the TT has) 28v into a THT is meant to be killer.
Personally I would build the speakers + subs. Use a 240watt Dayton plate amp for the subs and a HT receiver for the mains. Buy a HT receiver that has preouts for all channels. But please try running the system without the extra amps first. You might save a few hundred bucks that really didn't need to be used high efficiency makes a world of difference.
Also I wouldn't use Lab 12's. In the plans it says that for anything under 18" the Lab 12 is the way to go. 18" or bigger the recommended 15" is better and it's the same price. Either the Dayton DVC385-88 or Dayton RSS390HF-4.
Also rereading your earlier posts, you want to mount the mains into the wall. Have you thought of making the walled mounted TLAH and sticking them up high? There is added benefits to this design. Also it allows the speakers to face down onto the crowd dancing, meaning everyone gets to hear the highs etc much better. Instead of it all being muted by bodies.
/end wall of text
When figuring this you also have to take into account the slope of your cross over. If your crossover slope is not steep the sub will continue to reproduce signal up to 200hz (1 octave). Which will make it at least partially noticeable. I personally am aiming for a cross over at about 80Hz with at least 24dB/oct of slope. This is why Bill recommends using both the receiver cross over and plate amp crossover to put a good filter in place. You have to remember a cross over is a slope and applies the full 24db (or whatever) of reduction 1 octave from where your cross over is set. So 80Hz crossover = 160Hz full reduction. 100Hz = 200Hz full reduction.
About the SLA Pro vs TLAH. The SLAP (SLA Pro) is bout 100db SPL with the recommended drivers. The TLAH is bout 95-97db SPL with the recommended drivers. Dolby (?) reference level is 105dB. As I said clubs run at about 105-110dB. So to power these to say 110dB the SLAP will need 10watts or so. The TLAH will need 20watts. Both of these amounts can easily be reached with a home av receiver. These figures of course are for only 1 cab. Every time you double cabs you gain 3dB for free (same as subs). So with 2 cabs the SLAP needs bout 5watts for 110db playback. The TLAH needs 10watts. Either option is going to be awfully loud in a basement.
So which to choose? Either is easily drivable to the levels you require. The TLAH will hit down to 80Hz or so with some authority. The SLAP drops off quickly at 100Hz. I'd go the TLAH with a 80Hz crossover which lets the THT's reinforce the TLAH in that 80-100Hz range but still drop away quickly for localization purposes.
2 other things to consider: (I know you don't need more but still) A line array is meant to be listened to at 2x it's height away from it. Eg: 40" Tlah = 80" listening distance or greater. Now you might not notice this even, but it is a recommendation for greatest integration of the wavefront. The SLAP and TLAH aren't that different so I wouldn't worry bout it.
2nd the bigger the driver for the woofer, the further away you should listen to the line array. Bigger drivers have a narrower dispersion and won't fill the room as well due to limited listening space. Smaller drivers have wider dispersion. Remember a line array's horizontal dispersion is only as good as the dispersion of one driver. It just fall's off much more smoothly as you move around the speaker.
From what I understand the THT and TT are both musical, in this regard though most people choose the TT because music doesn't need lower than 30Hz (very often ~ it does in special genre's or stupid over done recordings with faked in LFE). If they are going to this much effort get the THT it will be available for HT then without considerations of HP filters etc that the TT has) 28v into a THT is meant to be killer.
Personally I would build the speakers + subs. Use a 240watt Dayton plate amp for the subs and a HT receiver for the mains. Buy a HT receiver that has preouts for all channels. But please try running the system without the extra amps first. You might save a few hundred bucks that really didn't need to be used high efficiency makes a world of difference.
Also I wouldn't use Lab 12's. In the plans it says that for anything under 18" the Lab 12 is the way to go. 18" or bigger the recommended 15" is better and it's the same price. Either the Dayton DVC385-88 or Dayton RSS390HF-4.
Also rereading your earlier posts, you want to mount the mains into the wall. Have you thought of making the walled mounted TLAH and sticking them up high? There is added benefits to this design. Also it allows the speakers to face down onto the crowd dancing, meaning everyone gets to hear the highs etc much better. Instead of it all being muted by bodies.
/end wall of text
Re: Basement Disco System
Hey Bass Me,
THANK YOU A TON. I really appreciate all the feed back. It has given me a lot to think about.
Was with the owner again today for about 7 hours and we began to put together his lighting system.
The excitement with him is becoming infectious as he learns about the possibilities we can create.
From it may come more of these projects.
Back to the topic on hand.
Here is where today led us, Joe (owner/client) out of curiosity wanted to listen to a 5.1 system to get a feel for it this led us to a little Onkyo/KEF system. He loved it.
He again asked if we should do 2 separate systems one for HT and the other for Disco, my answer was, not until I exhaust every possibility of
making the system meet the expectations of the first and 2nd priority 1. (Disco - Headroom and extension, and finding a receiver with 1.variable xover 2. Pre outs for all channels, 3. Limiter. (Which I was told may not be a possibility.) And enough power. Which you have shown me should be easy given the efficiency of the cabs.
2. The clarity and extension of HT. And,,, user friendliness for his wife when she wants to use it.
Another topic came up as I learned that he may create more space down there by taking out a bedroom and creating a larger lounging area. This brought up the possibility of Zone cabs for those areas and people that are not rippin er up on the dance floor. Possible having the mains (if you refer back to my pics of the Dr 250/ SLA left and right pic) flown on the opposite side or back side of the dance floor to bring down the volume a bit around the bar area and pool area,, could create a need for the Zone cabs not for volume but clarity.
Then having these zones separately controlled off the mixer board. 4-6 ch Mackie maybe. The option was brought to my attention to just use a Balance/Unbalanced Line Level converter. Like this [url]http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/M ... 5-8485/url] with a receiver that has all the pre outs. If this were a possible route then I could also add in a DCX 2496 for a little bit more system tuning and protection from a possible out of hand night.
And yes we will try to get the mains as high as we can fit them.
Options options options.
Much to think about and decide on.
Thanks again for the input Bass Me.
THANK YOU A TON. I really appreciate all the feed back. It has given me a lot to think about.
Was with the owner again today for about 7 hours and we began to put together his lighting system.
The excitement with him is becoming infectious as he learns about the possibilities we can create.
From it may come more of these projects.
Back to the topic on hand.
Here is where today led us, Joe (owner/client) out of curiosity wanted to listen to a 5.1 system to get a feel for it this led us to a little Onkyo/KEF system. He loved it.
He again asked if we should do 2 separate systems one for HT and the other for Disco, my answer was, not until I exhaust every possibility of
making the system meet the expectations of the first and 2nd priority 1. (Disco - Headroom and extension, and finding a receiver with 1.variable xover 2. Pre outs for all channels, 3. Limiter. (Which I was told may not be a possibility.) And enough power. Which you have shown me should be easy given the efficiency of the cabs.
2. The clarity and extension of HT. And,,, user friendliness for his wife when she wants to use it.
Another topic came up as I learned that he may create more space down there by taking out a bedroom and creating a larger lounging area. This brought up the possibility of Zone cabs for those areas and people that are not rippin er up on the dance floor. Possible having the mains (if you refer back to my pics of the Dr 250/ SLA left and right pic) flown on the opposite side or back side of the dance floor to bring down the volume a bit around the bar area and pool area,, could create a need for the Zone cabs not for volume but clarity.
Then having these zones separately controlled off the mixer board. 4-6 ch Mackie maybe. The option was brought to my attention to just use a Balance/Unbalanced Line Level converter. Like this [url]http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/M ... 5-8485/url] with a receiver that has all the pre outs. If this were a possible route then I could also add in a DCX 2496 for a little bit more system tuning and protection from a possible out of hand night.
And yes we will try to get the mains as high as we can fit them.
Options options options.
Much to think about and decide on.
Thanks again for the input Bass Me.
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Re: Basement Disco System
The dcx2496 will automatically detect unbalanced inputs or outputs. You just have to make an rca -> xlr interconnect. Red to the pos on the rca, blue and ground to the negative. I use it all the time for car audio and in a club (5.1 receiver in a chill out room). No need for di boxes.
If your going with a dj mixer you'll have main outs, and booth monitor outs. Only leaves you with one set of controls for zone speakers (provided there are no monitors in the booth). Might be all you need or some of these may give you more control http://www.parts-express.com/wizards/se ... N=72201299. I hate having the volume control of zone speakers in the dj booth, you can't hear what you came up to adjust, much better if they are right where you need them, no need to bother the dj and vice versa.
This is also a must http://www.amazon.ca/Belkin-F8Z492-Blue ... B0035JL35O you can dj right from the dance floor from your phone. Especially when eveyone is on the dancefloor (small party).
Don't forget ledges around the dancefloor and pool table. People need a place to put their drinks when they're rocking out!
Anything else about the barsetup or general questions about this project just ask. I've been a professional bartender and club manager for over 10 years. Clubs and house parties are my religion. I really like the layout, looks like it has good trafic flow (another bathroom would be nice though, might have congestion there). A chill out room would also be a great idea. Not everybody likes to dance and rock out all night, sometimes you need a break or just want to chat. Good luck on the project, it sure has a lot of potential.
If your going with a dj mixer you'll have main outs, and booth monitor outs. Only leaves you with one set of controls for zone speakers (provided there are no monitors in the booth). Might be all you need or some of these may give you more control http://www.parts-express.com/wizards/se ... N=72201299. I hate having the volume control of zone speakers in the dj booth, you can't hear what you came up to adjust, much better if they are right where you need them, no need to bother the dj and vice versa.
This is also a must http://www.amazon.ca/Belkin-F8Z492-Blue ... B0035JL35O you can dj right from the dance floor from your phone. Especially when eveyone is on the dancefloor (small party).
Don't forget ledges around the dancefloor and pool table. People need a place to put their drinks when they're rocking out!
Anything else about the barsetup or general questions about this project just ask. I've been a professional bartender and club manager for over 10 years. Clubs and house parties are my religion. I really like the layout, looks like it has good trafic flow (another bathroom would be nice though, might have congestion there). A chill out room would also be a great idea. Not everybody likes to dance and rock out all night, sometimes you need a break or just want to chat. Good luck on the project, it sure has a lot of potential.
Built:
17" width 10" driver Autotuba
2 x 29" width dual Lab12 Tuba60
6 x DR250 2510/asd1001
In progress:
2 x DR250 2510/asd1001
For best results, point the loud end of the array towards the audience
17" width 10" driver Autotuba
2 x 29" width dual Lab12 Tuba60
6 x DR250 2510/asd1001
In progress:
2 x DR250 2510/asd1001
For best results, point the loud end of the array towards the audience
Re: Basement Disco System
Most HT systems have basic limiters built in. First Subwoofers usually run off a plate amp with a built in gain control. Set the gain to 25-30% and put the box out of reach of the average person. Second, a lot of the modern home theater receivers have a built in maximum volume setting. How I'd go about setting this? Set your plate amp to 25-30% gain. Monitor voltage output as per normal to the sub from the plate amp. Begin turning up the volume on the HT receiver. Find what volume setting on the receiver matches the voltage limit for the Sub with the gain set appropriately. Set the maximum volume for 10% below this level. Limiters in place as long as the owner doesn't get drunk and fiddle with it. You'll probably find the maximum volume will be too much like setting it to 14 
. You'd rather 10 anyways.
Also most modern 7.1 receivers can process and output 2 different inputs and outputs for 2 zones. Or spread 1 output to 2 different locations with different volume levels etc.
Something like the Pioneer VSX-1021-K (comes out now ish) http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/ ... VSX-1021-K is a fairly all in one solution. Has airplay for streaming straight from iPod/Phone/Pad/Mac, an app for control from said devices, DNLA for streaming content through your network aside from the airplay support. 2 Zones, good power at 20-20k Hz (90watts stated probably 50-60watts realistic with 7 channels driven). All the 2011 models are being released about now and the biggest feature overall is networking ability. Everyone has it. This receiver has no preouts. I'm sure there is a new one out there that does. 50 watts on 2 standard TLAH is going to give you 120db at 1m or there abouts. I use this site: http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html to roughly work out volumes at different distances etc. For the tops I usually use the near a wall option.
I'd run a mixer with 2 outputs (main + booth) into the receiver on two separate inputs. 1 for the main floor 1 for extra lounge.
Biggest thing to note in this idea. No 2nd LFE output for zone 2. Good sub amp plate can take care of this. with power inputs being processed and drawing off the Lows before passing on the highs. Not the best crossover slopes though. But the 2nd room could then have 2 speakers + a TT and the main room could be 5 mains + 2x THT offering completely different but good sounding grooves.
If they are planning on having the HT setup (screens etc) they are going to need a separate av receiver or treat the dance floor as the 2nd zone and have the HT room as the main area.
I haven't heard these systems I am talking about yet (I've set a date I order my 3.2 setup on the 26th of May (my bday!). BUT I have spent wayyyy to many hours skulking around on this forum and many others. The general reply is you are not going to be let down with the Headroom, Dynamics and clarity of this system. Your also going to be risking permanent hearing damage. So basically ticks everyone's boxes. For the friendliness factor for the wife. Power on, select source, turn it up, done. Oh and press play on said source. Multi zone etc is a bit more difficult but I assume you a referring to ease of use for HT or basic play back. Setup is the PITA, use is usually fairly easy.
Oh and BTW is not a prob for the advice, actually makes me expand my knowledge and thoughts a bit too Hope it all works out. I reckon if I got a job at your normal chain department store av section I could make a killing with commissions now days. Or I could be truthful. 
Oh and I just reread your post above. You don't need 7 channels of extra amp for HT. At most I'd consider 2 or 3 extra channels for the front L/R and Center. Front L/R in are for your music, explosions and stuff essentially Large Dynamics and big sound. Center is mostly voices etc, though they are throwing a bit more in there now days hence possibly have 3 extra channels not just 2. Most people go for 2 extra to power the main L/R removing the biggest load on the receiver allowing it to power the center and surrounds with better authority. Very common though for people to have 87-93dB efficiency fronts compared to 97-100db SPL. Their mains need 4x the power to reach the levels of the TLAH. 3dB gain = twice the power needed.
. You'd rather 10 anyways. Also most modern 7.1 receivers can process and output 2 different inputs and outputs for 2 zones. Or spread 1 output to 2 different locations with different volume levels etc.
Something like the Pioneer VSX-1021-K (comes out now ish) http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/ ... VSX-1021-K is a fairly all in one solution. Has airplay for streaming straight from iPod/Phone/Pad/Mac, an app for control from said devices, DNLA for streaming content through your network aside from the airplay support. 2 Zones, good power at 20-20k Hz (90watts stated probably 50-60watts realistic with 7 channels driven). All the 2011 models are being released about now and the biggest feature overall is networking ability. Everyone has it. This receiver has no preouts. I'm sure there is a new one out there that does. 50 watts on 2 standard TLAH is going to give you 120db at 1m or there abouts. I use this site: http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html to roughly work out volumes at different distances etc. For the tops I usually use the near a wall option.
I'd run a mixer with 2 outputs (main + booth) into the receiver on two separate inputs. 1 for the main floor 1 for extra lounge.
Biggest thing to note in this idea. No 2nd LFE output for zone 2. Good sub amp plate can take care of this. with power inputs being processed and drawing off the Lows before passing on the highs. Not the best crossover slopes though. But the 2nd room could then have 2 speakers + a TT and the main room could be 5 mains + 2x THT offering completely different but good sounding grooves.
If they are planning on having the HT setup (screens etc) they are going to need a separate av receiver or treat the dance floor as the 2nd zone and have the HT room as the main area.
I haven't heard these systems I am talking about yet (I've set a date I order my 3.2 setup on the 26th of May (my bday!
). BUT I have spent wayyyy to many hours skulking around on this forum and many others. The general reply is you are not going to be let down with the Headroom, Dynamics and clarity of this system. Your also going to be risking permanent hearing damage. So basically ticks everyone's boxes. For the friendliness factor for the wife. Power on, select source, turn it up, done. Oh and press play on said source. Multi zone etc is a bit more difficult but I assume you a referring to ease of use for HT or basic play back. Setup is the PITA, use is usually fairly easy.Oh and BTW is not a prob for the advice, actually makes me expand my knowledge and thoughts a bit too
Hope it all works out. I reckon if I got a job at your normal chain department store av section I could make a killing with commissions now days. Or I could be truthful. Oh and I just reread your post above. You don't need 7 channels of extra amp for HT. At most I'd consider 2 or 3 extra channels for the front L/R and Center. Front L/R in are for your music, explosions and stuff essentially Large Dynamics and big sound. Center is mostly voices etc, though they are throwing a bit more in there now days hence possibly have 3 extra channels not just 2. Most people go for 2 extra to power the main L/R removing the biggest load on the receiver allowing it to power the center and surrounds with better authority. Very common though for people to have 87-93dB efficiency fronts compared to 97-100db SPL. Their mains need 4x the power to reach the levels of the TLAH. 3dB gain = twice the power needed.
Re: Basement Disco System
Would it be a good idea to delay the cabs in the chill-out area so that the overall sound is cohesive? Or, would the lack of substantial lows allow for enough lead time so that it doesn't really matter?
Just thinking out-typing
Just thinking out-typing
TomS
Re: Basement Disco System
Been a bit of time since I have been working on this project but things are almost ready to begin building. Some slight changes to the layout of the basement have been made which will change sub placement. The Subs (2x24"THT) may be layed on their sides tucked into a cutout of the 14 rise of the sunken dance floor, which in turn will have a fire place (gas) cased in over top the cabs. Contractor reminded me that heat will not be an issue.
Will provide updated pics asap.
Will provide updated pics asap.
Re: Basement Disco System
Looking for opinions.
Due to major dimension challenges we r going to move away from from the tht and THTLP, the space I have is 60"x60"x18h. It looks like a pair of Tuba 60 slims built as wide as I can would fit but here is the question would they work in this application? Thoughts?
Due to major dimension challenges we r going to move away from from the tht and THTLP, the space I have is 60"x60"x18h. It looks like a pair of Tuba 60 slims built as wide as I can would fit but here is the question would they work in this application? Thoughts?
Re: Basement Disco System
Table Tuba long style. T60s are not really appropriate for home use.BumpyJ wrote:Looking for opinions.
Due to major dimension challenges we r going to move away from from the tht and THTLP, the space I have is 60"x60"x18h. It looks like a pair of Tuba 60 slims built as wide as I can would fit but here is the question would they work in this application? Thoughts?
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Accept the fact that airtight and well-braced are more important than pretty on the inside. Bill Fitzmaurice
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Charles Warwick
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Re: Basement Disco System
So, the space is 60'' Deep, 60'' Wide and 18'' High, and I assume the part that is open to the listening area is the 60X18?BumpyJ wrote:the space I have is 60"x60"x18h. It looks like a pair of Tuba 60 slims built as wide as I can would fit but here is the question would they work in this application? Thoughts?
So yes, in that space you could fit a pair of T60's but you may consider just building one first and seeing if the output is what you need and then building a second one if it doesn't meet your desired volume.
And in this instance the T60 isn't a terrible option in my opinion as the TTLP is comparable in extension and size, but he wants discotheque levels of sound and to get high SPL, we use Pro audio speakers. If it were me I'd want peace of mind when pushing the subs and the mcm's are too cheap for this, and if you use dual Tangband's the price between the T60 and TTLP is marginal and I bet the T60 would be louder.
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subharmonic
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Re: Basement Disco System
If I could fit mine in my house I would comment on that.DJPhatman wrote:Table Tuba long style. T60s are not really appropriate for home use.BumpyJ wrote:Looking for opinions.
Due to major dimension challenges we r going to move away from from the tht and THTLP, the space I have is 60"x60"x18h. It looks like a pair of Tuba 60 slims built as wide as I can would fit but here is the question would they work in this application? Thoughts?
2x T39, 1x T60, 1x THTLP, 1x AT(not built by me) 6x DR250
I need more bass
But this gal's built like a burlap bag full of bobcats
CW Mcall
I need more bass
But this gal's built like a burlap bag full of bobcats
CW Mcall