Hello from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma!

[bjm362]

It looks like I am going to be able to order the CD sooner than I thought (like tonight or tomorrow)! Does the CD come with all the plans in both Word and PDF format, or is it a either one or the other situation?

[Tom Smit]

My CD is a few years old, but it has Word for the plans, and Sketchup for the drawings.

[bjm362]

My CD is a few years old, but it has Word for the plans, and Sketchup for the drawings.

What program uses sketchup? I do need to be sure I can print a good cut sheet. I was going to just order it as is and see if I could figure it out, now I am a bit worried!

[Tom Smit]

Here is the link..... http://www.sketchup.com/
A link for Cutlist which is a good program. It's free but a donation is encouraged. http://delphiforfun.org/programs/cutlist.htm

[bjm362]

Here is the link..... http://www.sketchup.com/
A link for Cutlist which is a good program. It's free but a donation is encouraged. http://delphiforfun.org/programs/cutlist.htm

Thank you for the links! I am still waiting for refund money I expect today so I can order. Waiting, well you probably understand being excited about something and having to wait too!

BTW, Don't the plans already have a cut list?

[Bruce Weldy]

BTW, Don't the plans already have a cut list?

The tops do, but subs don't as they can be built to varying widths.

I still use the cutlist in order to get as many like pieces cut at the same time when using a table saw. The delphi program is really good.

[bjm362]

BTW, Don't the plans already have a cut list?

The tops do, but subs don't as they can be built to varying widths.

I still use the cutlist in order to get as many like pieces cut at the same time when using a table saw. The delphi program is really good.

I ordered mine earlier today. I just looked at the "cutlist" Program and bookmarked the page. Had I known the subs did not include cut sheets I might not have ordered it. Hopefully the program link you provided will make up for that!

Not having a cutlist goes against the "detailed plans" advertised in my opinion. I don't care how many optional sizes they come in, a cut list is a vital part of a plan to be leaving out!Maybe Bill will add that as an update to the CDs!

Hopefully I will be happier once I get the CD, I was pretty excited when I ordered it after all!

[Grant Bunter]

A variable precludes a cutlist, in absolutely anything, including a speaker cab.

Have you seen the plans yet?
And how detailed they are?

[bjm362]

A variable precludes a cutlist, in absolutely anything, including a speaker cab.

Have you seen the plans yet?
And how detailed they are?

As to have I seen the plans yet, if you will notice in the previous comments I just ordered the CD today, so no I haven't seen the plans yet. In fact one of the comments I made was ...
[/quote]Hopefully I will be happier once I get the CD, I was pretty excited when I ordered it after all![/quote] I am hoping that there is enough there that I am happy after I get them since I ordered them believing I was getting detailed plans. The largest portion of my reason for ordering the plans was since the were detailed plans they would have good cut sheets.
Essentially I should have ordered an Otop plan and a wedgetop plan as well as a jig plan. Buying those is a good investment for the price of $24.95 as long as they have a good cut sheets. If the "Cutlist program you suggested proves to be easy enough to work with I may come out alright. I don't care how many pages of verbage there is concerning the subs...Detailed plans have cut sheets..even if those cut sheets include optional variants. If those variants are not concluded, they are detailed idea lists, not plans. I didn't order or need idea lists, I have those in my head already. I needed and ordered detailed plans!

[Bruce Weldy]

.Detailed plans have cut sheets..even if those cut sheets include optional variants.

There would have to be infinite cutsheets then as you can make the width any thing you want. My internal panels on my T39s are 23 7/8". The other variable is whether you use 5x5 or 4x8 plywood. It's just not reasonable to have 30 pages of cutsheets of all the various ways you could build a cabinet.

The cutlist program is good and allows you to determine what kind of ply you are starting with and whether you want to make all of the like-kind cuts at the same time, etc.

I made my own cutlists even for the OT12 that have them supplied - I'm not as interested in using the least amount of wood, but rather making sure that all cuts of the same width are made without ever having to re-adjust the table saw. That ensures a very square cabinet.

The plans are very detailed and work quite well if you follow them....I've built 3 different designs and haven't been disappointed yet. You'll have some questions along the way - that's what the forum is for. There is plenty of help here from people who have already done what you are about to do.

[Grant Bunter]

The Otops and wedgehorns have cut lists. Or at least my copies do.

The subs do not, because including cutlists for every possible permutation of size (or to be more precise, width, as height and depth are not variables) would add lots of unneccessary pages, and a chance for some confusion.

Don't get upset.
We are all here trying to help...

[bjm362]

There would have to be infinite cutsheets then as you can make the width any thing you want. My internal panels on my T39s are 23 7/8". The other variable is whether you use 5x5 or 4x8 plywood. It's just not reasonable to have 30 pages of cutsheets of all the various ways you could build a cabinet.

Actually, not including at least a few Complete variations, which would require the inclusion of cut sheets, you can no longer refer to them as plans.. throughout the site we are repeatedly told not to deviate from the plans. Now you are telling me that the plans aren't really plans, as I need to finish designing the plans. Not just add improvements to existing plans, as the advertised existing plans were never completed!

The cutlist program is good and allows you to determine what kind of ply you are starting with and whether you want to make all of the like-kind cuts at the same time, etc.

I am hoping it is good enough to fix this problem.

I made my own cutlists even for the OT12 that have them supplied - I'm not as interested in using the least amount of wood, but rather making sure that all cuts of the same width are made without ever having to re-adjust the table saw. That ensures a very square cabinet.

I have screwed up back. I believe I can still assemble the cabs, I can't do the cuts though. I also can't draw worth a flip, or I would be building my ideas. I payed for someone else's plans primarily for the cut sheets

The plans are very detailed and work quite well if you follow them....I've built 3 different designs and haven't been disappointed yet. You'll have some questions along the way - that's what the forum is for. There is plenty of help here from people who have already done what you are about to do.

Please stop referring to them as plans, plans have complete dimensions.

The Otops and wedgehorns have cut lists. Or at least my copies do.

The subs do not, because including cutlists for every possible permutation of size (or to be more precise, width, as height and depth are not variables) would add lots of unneccessary pages, and a chance for some confusion.

Don't get upset.
We are all here trying to help...

Trying to help, yes! trying to help me...no offense but it doesn't look that way.
If I ordered plans for a house I wouldn't expect plans for every possible house built, but I would expect clear complete plans for the house that I ordered. I didn't ask for thirty variations of each incomplete plan.
How about Mr Fitzmaurice keeps his CD and refunds my money. I then order only COMPLETED plans! Obviously no subs since you say that none of those plans are complete. I didn't spend $99.95 to get a cd of design ideas, I paid for a cd of complete plans, not ideas!
AS to not getting upset, you have just essentially told me that 75% of the money I just spent was throwing money away. While the whole reason I am trying to build this in the first place is to be able to create a small income with music even though my back is bad so I don't have to go on disability. If I can't take actual plans to one of the local lumberyards that will do custom cuts and have them cut it, I can't build it! I wasn't just donating money because I am overly wealthy and looking to give it away. It was supposed to be an investment.... that is how I borrowed most of it! Right now I feel like Jack in the Beanstalk, except the beans are missing the part that makes them grow!

[Bruce Weldy]

Actually, your analogy to house plans is totally wrong. House plans give you the dimensions of the pieces, just like these plans. They don't tell you how to get the most pieces out a a piece of plywood.

I've been woodworking for years. Some plans include a cutsheet if there are no variables. Those with variables just give the finished dimensions of everything but the variable, which you fill in yourself.

You are making this much harder than it is. Novices come on here and build great cabs with a circular saw....and have no problems. You won't have any problem either. This is not rocket science. It's just a wordworking project with detailed plans.....which do include dimensions.

Read the plans, then decide if you can pull this off.....can't see any reason why you can't.

[bjm362]

Actually, your analogy to house plans is totally wrong. House plans give you the dimensions of the pieces, just like these plans. They don't tell you how to get the most pieces out a a piece of plywood.

I've been woodworking for years. Some plans include a cutsheet if there are no variables. Those with variables just give the finished dimensions of everything but the variable, which you fill in yourself.

You are making this much harder than it is. Novices come on here and build great cabs with a circular saw....and have no problems. You won't have any problem either. This is not rocket science. It's just a wordworking project with detailed plans.....which do include dimensions.

Read the plans, then decide if you can pull this off.....can't see any reason why you can't.

I don't want to argue about this anymore. At this point I don't really know for sure if I am getting exactly what I ordered or if I got robbed and won't until I see the plans. Yep, at this point the only thing for sure is I won't know for sure until I see the plans! Maybe after I see them I will have a wonderful change of perspective! Meanwhile I intend to refrain from much activity here so as not to be even unintentionally be stabbing in the dark! I still intend to pop in, and reserve the right to comment on things I am well versed in. Questions concerning the plans however will now wait until I get them!
Maybe I will start a music thread of some nature today or tomorrow ! Hopefully that will calm my nerves a bit too ! I think I saw a system test song thread of some nature here somewhere, that might not be a bad idea to read while I am waiting.... If I can't find it maybe I should start a new one!

[jswingchun]

I sure hope you do a build thread on the forum. I can't wait for that. If you do I'm going to pop a big bowl of popcorn and watch that one.