Please give me some advice that I won't take!

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Re: Please give me some advice that I won't take!

#16 Post by SeisTres »

Bruce Weldy wrote:Is it just me, or does it seem like there have been a whole lot of posts like this lately??

:wall: :wall: :wall:
This is actually pretty normal. It is like waves of people move through this forum. Once you been here for a few months you'll see the pattern repeat itself.
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#17 Post by UROK »

Scotch tape most def. Although I'd add a jute membrane bilayer (for multi-vibrational linear extrinsic damping) to the back and one or two dabs of di-hydro oxygenase to strengthen the adhesion and speed up the curing process. Boosts mid-sonic reverberationals by up to 0.4dBq (measured in a tin can under the sea at 3 fathoms heading NNW on a warmish day) at 3.456%TTTHDD. That's science! I mean, there's no real evidence for it but... :ugeek:

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#18 Post by Mikey »

SeisTres wrote:
Bruce Weldy wrote:Is it just me, or does it seem like there have been a whole lot of posts like this lately??
This is actually pretty normal. It is like waves of people move through this forum. Once you been here for a few months you'll see the pattern repeat itself.
Yup, almost like clockwork. A herd shows up, asks some questions, and most of them just can't get their head around the fact that they've been terribly misinformed for many years. A few "see the light" and hang around to actually learn a thing or two.
Bruce Weldy wrote:Please give me some advice that I won't take
Don't bother with all of this "new technology" hype. You can download Altec Voice Of The Theatre plans for free on the internet. Build those and you'll have The Ultimate PA! In fact, that design is so good that you can use ANY drivers in them and they'll work like a charm.
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius, and a lot of courage, to move in the opposite direction."

Albert Einstein

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#19 Post by Bruce Weldy »

SeisTres wrote:
Bruce Weldy wrote:Is it just me, or does it seem like there have been a whole lot of posts like this lately??

:wall: :wall: :wall:
This is actually pretty normal. It is like waves of people move through this forum. Once you been here for a few months you'll see the pattern repeat itself.
I've been here for over a year now, and this just seems to be the worst run of "those who cannot be pleased". Oh well, I loved the Cow/Train incident. We need a new addition to the "smilies" - a dead cow saying "DMF" (Dumb..you know the rest).

Oh well, I hope it brought a smile to a few faces. May you all have a blessed and Merry Christmas!

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#20 Post by tdogg »

BoostFab wrote:
Bruce Weldy wrote: Then a couple of T39s on each side loaded with double 15s.
you got that wrong, it needs to be double 18"s loaded T39; and two on each side and stack on top of each other to make an a bada55 horn array :loler:

wont the bass be too "slow" if he uses 18's? i like fast bass so i use 15's.
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#21 Post by UROK »

Thanks Bruce. And a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your loved ones. And to Bill, Leland, and everybody else on here from whom it has been an absolute pleasure to learn.

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#22 Post by Greg Plouvier »

HaHa - love the post subject title. Here's a little something that kinda fits -

http://www.skratchlounge.com/index.php?showtopic=8614

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, etc Y'all
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#23 Post by doncolga »

UROK wrote:Thanks Bruce. And a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your loved ones. And to Bill, Leland, and everybody else on here from whom it has been an absolute pleasure to learn.
+1 Ditto that! I would have never guessed earlier this year that my sound would have been this much better by this time, or any time, much less with boxes that I built.
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#25 Post by Drey Chennells »

UROK wrote:When the student is ready the teacher will appear.
+1
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#26 Post by CafSentryGnome »

Bruce Weldy wrote:My real question is:
Railroad spikes or scotch tape to hold it all together?
personally i prefer to tape stuff together after a bottle of scotch. *remembers duct taping a mate to his clothes line*

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#27 Post by mattaudio »

Most importantly, use Monster Cables for your entire P.A.

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#28 Post by Bruce Weldy »

mattaudio wrote:Most importantly, use Monster Cables for your entire P.A.
Well .... they are the best....it says so right on the package. And they must be good since they cost so much!

6 - T39 3012LF
4 - OT12 2512
1 - T24
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#29 Post by CoronaOperator »

Bruce Weldy wrote:
mattaudio wrote:Most importantly, use Monster Cables for your entire P.A.
Well .... they are the best....it says so right on the package. And they must be good since they cost so much!
I was just "educated" on the "virtues" of monstercables on boxing day (dec 26th) by some dubstep DJ's from Vancouver we had in for a show. After their load in and setup (about $10k of equipment, 2 technics turntables, djm800 mixer, 2 cdj1000 cd players, xone 4d mixer, 2 macbooks running serrato) they needed to patch into our pa. They wanted xlr from their mixer direct into our driverack but I refused. I wanted them to patch into our house mixer so I could retain control over their max volume out. We have limiters in place but most DJ's push the limiters so hard that noise, not music is the end result. Kinda hard to let them know to turn it down in the middle of a set without disruping their tempo. I finally sold them on the idea when they realised our mixer had aux outs that were needed for delay stacks futherdown the bar and around the corner in a chill out section. After they gave me a lecture on how daisy chaining our mixers would kill their sound quality (like running into the limiters wouldn't :noob: ) you should've seen the look of disappointment on their faces when I pulled out my $3 patch cable to patch them into our mixer :D

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Thats when the whole monstercable lecture came out. I understand they are quality cables that would probably hold up to the abuse on the road, but that wasn't the lecture. My cables lacked "time aligning" and "flux capacitors" and "MicroFiber ® dielectric insulation precision wound around select conductors for faster transients" there was no way any decent quality of sound could possibly go through those. They looked at their desk full of $10k worth of equipment and felt somehow that they may as well brought wallmart mp3 players. There was no convincing these guys that as long as no noise enters the system, coat hangers work just as well.

I just smiled and nodded
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