Planning on expanding. Opinions wanted.

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#31 Post by SoundInMotionDJ »

djohnson573 wrote:
SoundInMotionDJ wrote:But, my typical performances run for 60 straight hours...so a system that is "coasting" is a huge plus.

--Stan Graves
Holy Cow Stan! :shock: How do you stay awake? Lot's of Red Bull?
The system is what needs to work for 60 straight hours. Since I'm not the only DJ, I only have to be up for 18-20 hours a day. :noob:

In January, I did a 4 day event and lost 7 pounds! The system was turned on Thursday night, and in more or less continuous use until Monday morning. I sleep about 4 hours each night, and catch a 2 hour nap in the afternoon. The main room was downstairs, and the second room was 200 yards away and up two flights of stairs. The hotel has gorgeous marble floors that pounded my feet & knees into oblivion.

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#32 Post by Dave Non-Zero »

Dusneed wrote: I would really like to see how you experiment goes. I am still leaning towards the 280s, but I am seeking a stacking solution as most here are. I liked Dave Perry's attempt, but it looked like 3 per side, in that configuration, would be damn near dangerous.
here is my last dj set up i did. Pretty simple solution to gettin the dr280s up but it does take two people, and thats about as high as you can get them without standing on something (not recommended) That said, lots of places i play you couldnt get them mush higher due to low roofs.

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Dusneed wrote:What would be the biggest reason you would choose 200s over 280s?
280's were never a consideration for me. I am a one man show and the DR280 is not a one man box.

I can stack two DR200's together. I have no plans to add a 3rd or 4th to that stack. I tend to preform in wiiiiiiiiiide rooms, where four stacks of two is better than two stacks of four.

I did look very hard at the DR250's. Then Tim A. did a A/B comparison between DR200/DR250. Based on the sound quality, I was still on the fence. The he posted a side by side pic that convinced me to go for the smaller box. Here is a link to that review:

http://billfitzmaurice.net/phpBB3/viewt ... =13&t=4304
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--Stan Graves
Dusneed wrote: I am a one man show, but I always have gotten buddies to tag along for dinner, a free party w/ other college chicks, and beer.
The 250s seem huge compared to the 200s. I am seriously considering the 200s now . How do you like them for DJ style music? I don't know if there's any difference, but I would like to know your opinions based on your experience with them. Are there any drawbacks of the 200s?
Does anyone have a picture of the 250s and 280s together?
Duane
ive finally got some pictures of my dr280s and my 250s together.

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with a 12" mackie 300z on top for comparison...
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And 2 of each stacked...
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#33 Post by DJ Big Ronn »

Hey Dave, did you find that the 280's had trouble keeping up with the six T-48's. At full bore, I find that my 4- dr250's out run my 2-T48's some, but with six, that would be a lot of bang !

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#34 Post by Dave Non-Zero »

DJ Big Ronn wrote:Hey Dave, did you find that the 280's had trouble keeping up with the six T-48's. At full bore, I find that my 4- dr250's out run my 2-T48's some, but with six, that would be a lot of bang !
Not on that night i didnt! It was an electro/dubstep night with pleeeenty of bottom end content. I dropped the HPF to 30 and let 'em rip. :fruit: The room is too small to realise the potential of that rig tho. it was only about 6m to the other wall from the front of the stage. hahaha. Cant wait to try it outside. Im startng another 4 280s and 2 more t48s for this summer. :hyper:
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Built and/or own:
8 x T48 24" 3015LF
6 x DR280
2 x DR250 old style beta10
2 x T36s 20" delta15L
1 x TAT
1 x dual Lab12 30" T60

In Progress:
2 x DR280

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#35 Post by DJ Big Ronn »

SWEET !!! I'd like to hear that, but your just a tad out of my zip code. :lol:

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#36 Post by Turntablist »

DJ Big Ronn wrote:SWEET !!! I'd like to hear that, but your just a tad out of my zip code. :lol:
+1
I can't imagine what that system would sound like outdoors on an empty field... Just to stand like 200feet away and let the system go full tilt with some HQ AC/DC- or Dire Straightstracks going through it and just feel the dynamics of the system... DANG I'd love to hear that!!

Sorry for OT-drooling, Dusneed. :wink:
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#37 Post by Dave Non-Zero »

Turntablist wrote:
DJ Big Ronn wrote:SWEET !!! I'd like to hear that, but your just a tad out of my zip code. :lol:
+1
I can't imagine what that system would sound like outdoors on an empty field... Just to stand like 200feet away and let the system go full tilt with some HQ AC/DC- or Dire Straightstracks going through it and just feel the dynamics of the system... DANG I'd love to hear that!!

Sorry for OT-drooling, Dusneed. :wink:
Hahahaha weeeell actually, if you are outside on the 3-4th july then you might be able to hear this system, it will be on a beach on east coast of scotland firing directly at southern sweden! :noob: :fruit: :hyper:
-1 for thought terminating cliches.

Built and/or own:
8 x T48 24" 3015LF
6 x DR280
2 x DR250 old style beta10
2 x T36s 20" delta15L
1 x TAT
1 x dual Lab12 30" T60

In Progress:
2 x DR280

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#38 Post by Turntablist »

Dave Non-Zero wrote:
Turntablist wrote:
DJ Big Ronn wrote:SWEET !!! I'd like to hear that, but your just a tad out of my zip code. :lol:
+1
I can't imagine what that system would sound like outdoors on an empty field... Just to stand like 200feet away and let the system go full tilt with some HQ AC/DC- or Dire Straightstracks going through it and just feel the dynamics of the system... DANG I'd love to hear that!!

Sorry for OT-drooling, Dusneed. :wink:
Hahahaha weeeell actually, if you are outside on the 3-4th july then you might be able to hear this system, it will be on a beach on east coast of scotland firing directly at southern sweden! :noob: :fruit: :hyper:
Ok, play the "Birdiesong" at full tilt, 9am, Londontime and I'll report if I hear it. :mrgreen:

Sorry for OT Dusneed!
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#39 Post by Dave Non-Zero »

Deal :noob:
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Built and/or own:
8 x T48 24" 3015LF
6 x DR280
2 x DR250 old style beta10
2 x T36s 20" delta15L
1 x TAT
1 x dual Lab12 30" T60

In Progress:
2 x DR280

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#40 Post by Dusneed »

Thanks again guys. I have been swamped. I don't think I am going to be able to enjoy my last few days of undergrad because I am getting so much work. Tonight, I got called to Chapel Hill for a championship celebration, nearly 25 minutes before the party started. I was setting up while people were arriving, so I set up my PA, attached my iPod to it, and played a few prerecorded mixes. About 250-300 people showed up to my surprise, but I only had my four Eons, so I had to spread them out. From what I gather everyone enjoyed themselves, but I knew I didn't have enough PA to get the sound I like.

Now to where I am at in my process.

I have been steadily buying all the tools that are going to aid in my build process.

This is the list that I started with:
Table Saw (I really don't know where to start)
Miter Saw (I've seen a few on my local Craigslist)
Router
Compressor and nail gun (I don't know where I to start with this either.)
A framing square

Clamps{x] (I bought these off of eBay...http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0184793613http://cgi.ebay.com/Corner-Clamps-Pictu ... dZViewItem)

I already own a circular saw, 2 cordless drills, and a jigsaw.
Anyone have any recommendations on the tools I should acquire?
I am off of school next week, I will be traveling back home to New York and I will start cleaning out my garage, so I can setup for my builds.
bgavin wrote:The sub type determines how low you can go.
How low you need to go, determines your sub type.

The number of subs determines how loud you can go.
How loud you need to go, determines the number of subs required.

The number of tops-per-side is determined by the number of total subs.

Example:
You require flat system response to 40 Hz for recorded music.
T39 fits the low frequency limit, but you wanted T48/3015LF/24"
This gives you 127 SPL at half power and 103 SPL concert level at 50 feet from the stage.
(You also exceed Threshold of Pain within 13 feet of the stage)

Two DR200 per side are within 0.5dB of a perfect match at half power.
DR200 is much easier to handle for a single man show.
DR200 is reputed to require the least EQ for Flat response.
I do play a good amount of bass heavy music, but I am not sure what Hz range it falls in. This is why I am not exactly sure which way I will go with which sub I choose, at this moment. It's up in the air between T39[loaded w/ a 10" driver] or the T48[3015LF/24"].
SoundInMotionDJ wrote:
Dusneed wrote:You're the reason the T39Slim is still a viable alternative to me because you are in the same business that I am in and they work well for you, from what I have read. I am under the assumption, that I can attain a more even sound by spacing out smaller stacks in a larger room instead of having 1 larger stack center clustered or corner-loaded. Also, that I don't have to push the smaller stacks as hard a larger stack because the relative distance from separated stacks will be lower (as long as I obey spacing rules). Am I correct in that assumption?
That is correct. I tend to run tops in stacks of two - then I bring enough to split the width of the venue into 20-30ft sections.

As long as you can split the subs by more than 56ft, you are OK. My favorite trick with a 150+ ft wide room is to take eight subs: two in a V in one corner, four in the middle of the wall in a V or W, and two more in a V in the other corner. With boundary loading, each stack is producing roughly the same SPL. It looks funny...but the effect is a very even bass field.

I hard limit my cabinets to 150w (34v for DR200's, 38v for T39's) - but I only rarely get close to that. Typical performance peaks are 50-ish watts. But, my typical performances run for 60 straight hours...so a system that is "coasting" is a huge plus.

--Stan Graves
This sounds very enticing. I could only imagine having even coverage throughout some of the venues I play. Generally, I have to run my PA hard and it creates hotspots in the gym sized venues. I don't think I will ever have to run my system for 60hrs straight because that sounds like no fun and I get tired of looking at some the same people quickly, I wouldn't object if I was offered a gig like that though.

Have you tested how far you could go with your complete system?
Dave Non-Zero wrote:
Dusneed wrote: I would really like to see how you experiment goes. I am still leaning towards the 280s, but I am seeking a stacking solution as most here are. I liked Dave Perry's attempt, but it looked like 3 per side, in that configuration, would be damn near dangerous.
here is my last dj set up i did. Pretty simple solution to gettin the dr280s up but it does take two people, and thats about as high as you can get them without standing on something (not recommended) That said, lots of places i play you couldnt get them mush higher due to low roofs.

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That looks so cool and scary at the same time. I'd be too tempted :twisted:.
The 280s are really big. I have the plans for them, but I have never mocked them up. Did you encounter any problems with the stability of those stands. The base of your stands don't look like they could take an accidental bump.


Turntablist wrote: Sorry for OT-drooling Dusneed!


No problemo, I don't mind the drool. I want to hear them pushing it too.


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#41 Post by SoundInMotionDJ »

Dusneed wrote:This is the list that I started with:
Table Saw (I really don't know where to start)
Miter Saw (I've seen a few on my local Craigslist)
Router
Compressor and nail gun (I don't know where I to start with this either.)
A framing square
The Miter saw is a luxury at this point. A circular saw is very nice for taking down full sheets of ply.

Table saws can be found on eBay, craigslist, and new at your local home improvement megamart. You want the heaviest saw you can find. Replace the blade immediately with a 60+ tooth blade that costs $50-$75. Stretch to get a better saw than you think you need.

Oh, and build the table saw sled as your first project. Nothing else you do to prepare for building cabinets is as important as building that sled. Build a set of work stands & a work bench as the second project. Here is a link to a very basic workbench. A good workbench is essential. I have a pair of those stands that holds up the pile of plywood while I am working on it. That pile of ply also serves as a large workbench to allow cabinets to dry.

http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/edi ... b1687.aspx

The compressor and nail gun can be found at the local home improvement megamart as well. There are combo kits that have a pancake compressor with a 1/4" staple gun & brad nailer for $100-$140. Get that.

Do not forget about a random orbital sander. Any sander should have a dust collection bag.
Dusneed wrote:Have you tested how far you could go with your complete system?
I am not quite sure that I understand the question.

The largest ballroom I have played is 25,000 sqft (240ft x 105ft) with 28ft ceilings. The peak audience was about 1400 people. I used eight DR200's and eight T39's. The hard limit was at 75w per box, and I never got close to that. More typical rooms are 15,000-18,000 sq ft with 1000 people.

The other pair of DR's and T39's was in a second room that was 4200 sq ft (60ft x 70ft). The peak audience was 300 people. Again, the limiter was set for 50-75w per box.

--Stan Graves
10 T39S + 10 DR200 + 1 T48

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#42 Post by Dave Non-Zero »

SoundInMotionDJ wrote:
Replace the blade immediately with a 60+ tooth blade that costs $50-$75.

+100 I jus t(finally) replaced the blade on my table saw to start my next build...WHY OH WHY did i not do this before, its suddenly a pleasure to use! No splintering, clean cuts, you can barely feel it go through the wood!
SoundInMotionDJ wrote: Oh, and build the table saw sled as your first project. Nothing else you do to prepare for building cabinets is as important as building that sled.


+ another 100
Dusneed wrote:
It's up in the air between T39[loaded w/ a 10" driver] or the T48[3015LF/24"].
If you are going for the t39, nothing beats the 3012LF.
Dusneed wrote:
Did you encounter any problems with the stability of those stands. The base of your stands don't look like they could take an accidental bump.
I think i mentioned they wernt finished... :wink: yeah im going to weld together some proper base plates for them. They are actually surprisingly stable. an accidental bump wouldnt come close to knocking one over, but i wouldnt use them if they werent butted up and strapped to the subs like they are in the pic.
-1 for thought terminating cliches.

Built and/or own:
8 x T48 24" 3015LF
6 x DR280
2 x DR250 old style beta10
2 x T36s 20" delta15L
1 x TAT
1 x dual Lab12 30" T60

In Progress:
2 x DR280

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