Quality of drawings

[Tarzoon]

Hoho- No offence to any body here!
If you like to cut the wood by yourself and spend the time to build the jigs etc..., well that's your choise.
It is a hell (=Nice, good) of an experience.
I did it a long time ago. I got a bit lazy now and a good friend has a machine shop with cnc machines.
Also, as said, I produced technical documents in the past and it's allmost a second nature to look at documents differently.
I'm not so good at woodworking either and lack the room and tools.
I repair amplifiers and other electronic equipment.
I'm in need for a few good cabinets, not to big to test the amps.
And as a guitar player, I like to have one to.

So, that's it,

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

Hoho- No offence to any body here!
If you like to cut the wood by yourself and spend the time to build the jigs etc..., well that's your choise.
It is a hell (=Nice, good) of an experience.
I did it a long time ago. I got a bit lazy now and a good friend has a machine shop with cnc machines.


So, that's it,

Our plans are geared towards the +99% of our members who do not have access to CNC. DIY stands for Do-It-Yourself.

[Tim A]

Got the plans over the last couple of days...OK, Much work is done. Allthough the presentation could be different and easier.
I'm not saying that you can't build a cabinet with these plans...I have to go through them all (the plans) and will remake them so that it has a "professional" layout.

Hoho- No offence to any body here!

You missed that by a good margin.

I'm retired so do not press me to hard to finish it...

No problem, I'd say if you got around to it by...oh...say around October of 2020 it'd be soon enough.

[Mikey]

Since you're retired, I would think that you'd appreciate the fact that simply building the cabinets is an enjoyable, rewarding process.

Cutting the wood with a CNC wouldn't be worth it. The time it takes to cut the wood by "traditional" methods is not the most time-consuming portion of building these cabinets, it's the assembly. You'd be incurring ridiculous cost to save a relatively small percentage of the total time it takes to build a cabinet from start to finish.

In a short time, you'll discover that the real benefit here is this forum. Read, ask questions, and keep an open mind. You'll be very surprised at how much you'll learn in a short time. It's a great bunch of guys, too.

[Tarzoon]

Being retired is not allways "being in heaven"
As written before, due to my previous experiences and "habits" I like to have a nice and technical correct drawing.
As some said that I do have time enough, well, to prepare these drawings so that a cnc machine can read them.
That's also a part of the "fun".
Assembling the cabinet is the same any way you cut the wood.
But with not so much experience in handling and cutting wood, I let my friend and his machines do it.
One: I have boards that are exact the way I want it.
Two: I only pay for the correct boards. If he messes up then it's his problem.
But knowing him that will not be the case.
As you see, 100% DIY is not the one and only reason for building these cabinets.
All my projects have been very well documented BEFORE the actual start.
This is my part of the joy.
Cheers and thanks for the many replies.

[Mikey]

Well, if the CNC route works for you, then go for it.

I have to go through them all (the plans) and will remake them so that it has a "professional" layout.
If possible I try to produce CAD drawings that can be send to a CNC shop and, voila, the boards ar cut.
The first I try to convert is the Omni 10.
I'm retired so do not press me to hard to finish it...

I doubt that anyone will be pressing you. The fact that your friend will do freebie CNC work for you is great, but not many people are afforded that luxury. If you had to pay the normal cost of having your wood cut on a CNC, you'd be dusting-off your woodworking tools instead ... unless you have money to foolishly burn, of course.

[WB]

Assembling the cabinet is the same any way you cut the wood.

I have to respectfully disagree on this point, because of the dead reckoning. I could see if you were going to mass produce a large number of cabinets, CNC would be the way to go. You would have to build (without using adhesives) the first one using dead reckoning, take it apart and use those dimension for the CNC. Then you have to make sure the wood thickness is all the same for the product run. You won't get the dimensions exactly without building the first one because of the dead reckoning involved. So if you're only building one or a few for yourself, just build it using the plans and be done with it, imo. These cabinets are time consuming enough, I don't see the point in adding extra work.

[Tom]

On one hand, I question the desire to use CNC or any highly accurate cutting/machining methods on these cabinets, which are designed to be easy and cost-effective to build. Most of these cabs can be cut with a skilsaw, assembled with hammer and nails and a healthy dose of PL adhesive.

On the other hand, I'm frequently amazed at how much extra time, effort, and cost is thrown at many of these build projects for the sake of appearance. Some of these builds we've seen have more money invested in hardware and coatings than the drivers themselves!

Is it vanity? Pride? Insanity?

I enjoy the build pictures, and am guilty on all counts above (overbuilding, if you will.) Then again, it is a hobby / passion of mine and I'm happy to leave practical behind for the slick or exotic.

Whatever you do, enjoy doing it well. And post pictures!

[Frankenspeakers]

Hi welcome aboard (etc) I've been staying out of this one because the tone has been a little more 'edgy' than I prefer. Going by the latter posts you don't seem as condescending as you initially came off as. I'm trying to think of a decent analogy (that's not too inflammatory) to get my point across. Here goes: it's like a professional (whatever) who inserts him/or herself into a group of gifted amateurs and starts telling 'em 'it's all wrong, or nice try- but this is how the big boys do it...' Fer example, an MMA pro showing up at a local Dojo- a little tact will go a lot further than a coupla dozen cans of whoopazz.

That said, lets go have some fun makin' sawdust!

[mty]

[Tarzoon]

I do not like fishing; I buy my fish at the local market.
Is that being to "professional"?
I like to draw technical documents; it's been my job.
Is that being to "professional"?
I like to produce technical documents.
Is that being to "professional"?
I like to assemble stuff made by others.
Is that being to "professional"?
My first question was: How do these plans look like?
Then I (personal view) do not really like the "look" of these plans.
I never discussed the ability of a DIY to complete the project with these plans.
I also never suggested that these plans are to be used for producing a huge quantity of cabinets.
I'm no professional; I'm only bad in woodworking...
Is that maybe "unprofessional" or not DIY?
It's all about drawings...
Some do not understand................

[bgavin]

[ Moderator ]

I will grant some leeway here, as it is evident English is a second language for you in Belgium. However, "Some do not understand..." is trolling for most of us here who are native English speakers. Please confine yourself to supportive comments.

If you are seeking plans on the level used by Aerobus to construct their products, this is not the place for you. The plans sold and supported here are for DIY speaker cabinets, and are priced accordingly for the target audience.

[N.Webber]

Some do not understand................

I Think I understand (what you mean…)

I can see your view (…) as I am also into CAD (designing and drawing) in my 'other' life…
Technical people like us know how to understand and appreciate a 'good' and proper drawing.
But some people may not. Some wouldn't know a center line from a dimension line,
and some even find it hard to grasp a model from its fantastically detailed 2D views.

I also redraw the cabs before building but for different reasons. First being the need to convert everything to mm.
and secondly because I sometimes make some small additions or changes and must make sure they integrate properly with the original design.

There is a place for other presentation levels and formats also. And in this case I think Bill's plans are spot on.

As Bill noted, the 'plans' for his cabs are step by step instructions aimed to cover a wide spectrum of builders.
Starting with the very basic beginner, the one with no woodworking skills at all or no previous speaker building experience.
The instructions are clear and easy to follow to all.

A testimony to that is the minimal number of posts on these forums regarding difficulties in understanding or following the plans.

As well as the results…

[DJPhatman]

Well said, Nim!

[gdougherty]

Assembling the cabinet is the same any way you cut the wood.

I have to respectfully disagree on this point, because of the dead reckoning. I could see if you were going to mass produce a large number of cabinets, CNC would be the way to go. You would have to build (without using adhesives) the first one using dead reckoning, take it apart and use those dimension for the CNC. Then you have to make sure the wood thickness is all the same for the product run. You won't get the dimensions exactly without building the first one because of the dead reckoning involved. So if you're only building one or a few for yourself, just build it using the plans and be done with it, imo. These cabinets are time consuming enough, I don't see the point in adding extra work.

Actually, something like the sketchup models should be a perfectly fine basis for getting things into CNC without the need for "dead reckoning". If you can build it and all the panels connect with correct dimensions given for the material thickness, you can CNC and assemble it.