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novasak
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OmniTop 15s

#1 Post by novasak »

In the past I was dealing with a pair of crappy homemade 15"+tweeter junk which was in a much too small a box to have any sort of 'good' sound. I knew for a long time that I need to upgrade, but buying a system which would still be lacking low end and be much heavier than I'd like to carry, was out of the question. I played with that system in many configurations for years. I sounded horrid. Blew speakers and tweeters almost every year trying to get some volume out of it.

"Ah, look what I found, DIY speakers that might have the potential to actually sound good. hmmm, I will build some...." many days and nights later... I decided to re-use my kappa pros and build some omnitops. At first I tried the CD horn tweeter route and even then it sounded better than the junk boxes. I could really hear the midrange, much cleaner, and using the same drivers from the old boxes, sounded so much better. Not much louder, but better, cleaner. I played a few shows with those (remember I play noise music, so it's at full volume nearly all the time). I found that the high end with the CD horn and crossover filter was just too much high end and I was still blowing the tweeters. I finally got around to building some piezo arrays, just strait ones for the moment with 8 in a line. My first test, I thought something was wrong, they were so much quieter and lower in volume that the CD tweeters. But when I turned it up, then I understood. With the lower volume of the piezos compared to the CDs, more midrange comes through and it sounds much more even in relation with midrange to high end. Now I can hear things in the midrange I wanted to hear before when the tweeters were too loud. I can turn up the high end effects and still have definition in the midrange effects at the same time. Makes for a much easier performance when you can hear everything. I can't wait to get some melded arrays and compare again.

First reality test will be in a few weeks. Then I can turn it up loud and see what kind of limits I can push with these piezos in place.
Up next are 4x 16" T39s to replace the Risson.

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PS - I hate those chevron corners. They cut my arm up when I move them around, the edges just stick out too much and I can't get them flush to the cab. So I use the metal corners now, a bit more expensive but they sit flush and are more durable I think. Just avoid all plastic parts entirely, those plastic top hats don't work either. They flex a lot and wobble. Now I know....

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Re: OmniTop 15s

#2 Post by Strapping Young Stu »

Im glad that you are finding the OT15s good for you, not seen too many reviews of them on here, so please do explain how well they work, especially how well the Piezos work with the woofer, I am in some ways very pleased that the CD route ended up bad. I would definitely try the melded array if you ever need more top end.

I would just say that if you are running with subs IMO it matters very little how big your mid top boxes are, you said about not being big enough to have good sound, but some of the best mid tops and wedges I have seen have been very small. I think a 1x12 mid top cab only really needs around 30L to work comfortably down to cross over to a sub. As in the Omnitops I doubt the rear chamber in there is much larger than an average sized reflex, it doesnt need to be really, its still mostly a mid top box.

Stu

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Re: OmniTop 15s

#3 Post by novasak »

yeah, but the size of the old boxes were just way too small for the 15s. it was awful. I like the OT15s because I can use them without the sub at smaller shows and still get a decent sound. Now I just need to see if only 8 piezos will keep up, otherwise I will have to cut then down and make melded arrays somehow.

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Re: OmniTop 15s

#4 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice »

novasak wrote:yeah, but the size of the old boxes were just way too small for the 15s. it was awful. I like the OT15s because I can use them without the sub at smaller shows and still get a decent sound. Now I just need to see if only 8 piezos will keep up, otherwise I will have to cut then down and make melded arrays somehow.
Assuming they're glued just cut the entire array at 45 degrees up one side, then add another mirror imaged set. You'll get another 3dB on-axis, but closer to 6dB off-axis.

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Re: OmniTop 15s

#5 Post by novasak »

ok,
I finally played with these last night. The output was great! The piezos worked well and didn't blow or fart or sound awful. They sounded very nice and even with the driver. and at a very high volume. I can now say that I am a piezo convert.

on another note.
My opinion about the corner loading technique.
I don't have a Tuba or Titan, but I do have a large bass horn (the Risson in the pic above). I tried it in a corner this time, about a foot away. The bass filled the room nicely, and was pretty even with the OT15s. I tried it facing out toward the audience, the way I have usually been setting up. The bass was still there, but obviously not as much as when facing the corner. So my conclusion is; with any horn bass cab, corner loading can rule it too! Everyone was very impressed with the bass output. I can't wait to compare to some T39s.

PS - I also was able to forwarded another piezo hater to this site, he was very impressed with their output. As well as the corner loading technique. At first he thought it was to tame the low end down.... but actually to do the opposite.

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