DR250 and 14" Titan-39 setup

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Tim A
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DR250 and 14" Titan-39 setup

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Here are a couple of shots of our setup from last weekend. This is a perfect example of how narrow subs can be used to your advantage.

I had wanted to take my 22" along and stack but there wasn't enough room to get them on one side or the other with the speaker stands. Added to it was the club's antique, way too big, super inefficient cabinets.

The 14's handled the club with ease. It wasn't in yer face, hip hop, disco, overmodulated bass but it was more than enough for classic rock. Plenty of chest thump.

The 250's had to be held back some. I was a bit concerned about 2 200's handling the room, you'd think I'd know better by now. Next time the 200's will go in lieu of the 250's.

You'll also note 3 Wedgehorns.

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#2 Post by David Carter »

Glad to hear the slim T39's were up to the task. This is the same setup I've got right now--2xT39S and 2xDR250. I also find that the DR250's have to be held back to not outrun the Titans.

Hope the gig went well! :)
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- Omni 10 (S2010 + piezo array)
- 2 x DR250 (DL II 2510 + melded array)
- 2 x Titan 39 (BP102 - 14"W)
- 2 x Titan 39 (3012LF - 20"W)
- 4 x DR200 (Delta Pro 8B + melded array)

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David Carter wrote:Hope the gig went well! :)
It did, and thanks. This was our first time there. Naturally there were friends and fans in the audience but plenty of locals too. The Owner came up to us after the show and said he wanted us back. Some of his regulars made very positive comments. A direct quote from him:

"Who are these guys, where'd they come from, why haven't they been here before, and when are they coming back?"

So, yeah, I'd say it went well! He called the other day and tried to book us in July, unfortunately we're already busy. We're booked through the first of August. In fact, we're booked through New Years Eve with only about 5 dates available between August and NY, which is as much as we want to play. We could probably do every weekend if we wanted. That's bearable from October-March, but not in the summer. We did a stint this year from NYE-the end of Feb with no time off, it sucked. This is supposed to be a hobby.

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#4 Post by Scott Brochu »

Thats great Tim, pics look good! Was the sound everything you wanted it to be? subs and wedges.
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BBDrums wrote:Thats great Tim, pics look good! Was the sound everything you wanted it to be? subs and wedges.
Absolutely. Clear and crisp, everything was there. I did note that, per Dave Perry's review, the Wedgehorns sounded a bit boxy with the guitars coming through them. The vocals were fine, but they made the guitars sound tinny. I turned the aux sends down just enough so I could hear the guys on the other end of the stage and left it. I considered doing some EQ but it was more imprtant we heard the vocals well.

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This is supposed to be a hobby.
Hobby: Something you do, but can't make a living at...

Every musician I know has a day job to pay the bills. For instance, my UPS delivery guy is a nationally known, well respected mandolin player who has played "The Opry".
Guys my age don't want to play out more than a few times a year...Still got a lot of money spent in gear. ( they jam a lot though )
Young guys would probably envy your busy schedule.

Anyway...

What is the wall behind the drummer made of/covered with? Is it a hard surface, or a more porous surface?
I thought maybe you hung something...

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They have a black curtain hung there, it's perfect. I could've done without the Christmas lights, but I guess you can't regulate tacky.

Our goal is to play out twice a month, on average. That typically means 3 jobs this month and 1 the next, but as long as it averages out it's good. Our very busy Jan-Feb means we can do 1 gig/month in the summer and stick with our goal. We had 2 this month and have 3 in May, then 1 in June and 1 in July. We also have 1 in early August, but it's shaping up to be 2-6 set nights. Good $ though. We'll probably try and book one more in August. September is shot with 1 gig, some people out of town and my daughter's wedding. Then we have a Halloween party in October, nothing in November and 2 in December counting NYE. We'll probably fill in October and November by the end of July. One of our regular clubs has decided to shut down the live entertainment over summer, they'll typically ask us to play once/month from September through April.

It sure is nice not having to work to get gigs. The guys I'm playing with are very talented and we all get along great, something that can be difficult to accomplish with a local band. It's going so well that when it finally breaks up I probably won't pursue anything else. I'll be 50 in a month or so, I'm getting close to being done.

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I guess you can't regulate tacky.
Too bad...Occasionally bar & venue owners make extra effort to improve the stage area. In some places the wall near or directly behind the band has advertising and neon bars signs or mirrored glass, or TV's that are always on. IMO ugly aesthetics and disrespectful of the band and not conducive for a good performance. Hard surfaces behind and above bands are feedback prone.

Hopefully your frequent setup/teardown cycles will become muscle memory and "event free". I've seen some weird accidents ( ex. guitarist bent over - ass hit cymbal stand, tipping it over - cymbal edge chopped mic. line nearly in two )

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#9 Post by Philip Weston »

Tim Ard wrote:This is supposed to be a hobby.
Sounds like it's time to raise your rates. Keep up the good work!
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Good stuff Tim...is that your monster pedal board in the pic?
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Mark Coward wrote:Good stuff Tim...is that your monster pedal board in the pic?
There are two, mine is the silver one. That's one of those Core units where the mic stand sets up in a socket on the board and stores in the lid, that's why it's so wide. All I have on there is a small multi effects unit (with all of 7 patches!) a talkbox and my wireless receiver. I keep my mics and cords in there too, it's pretty handy.

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Tim, could/would you give us some more info on the gig. Room dimensions, attendance, approximate levels. This would be very helpful for everyone on the site!

Thanks and congratulations on another successful gig.
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DJPhatman wrote:Tim, could/would you give us some more info on the gig. Room dimensions, attendance, approximate levels. This would be very helpful for everyone on the site!

Thanks and congratulations on another successful gig.
Not very accurate, just guessing. Room was probably 80 x 40, maybe 175 people capacity. Attendance varied throughout the night from 1/2 full to elbow room.

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It sure is nice not having to work to get gigs. The guys I'm playing with are very talented and we all get along great, something that can be difficult to accomplish with a local band. It's going so well that when it finally breaks up I probably won't pursue anything else. I'll be 50 in a month or so, I'm getting close to being done.
Tim, shear fatigue forced me to bag night time 4 hour club gigs years ago, and I'm 46. Even when I was in my 30's, during the 1st two sets I would wonder why I was even getting paid for having this much fun. By 11:00 PM and the 3rd set I remembered! By 1:00 AM and equipment breakdown/packup I was swearing I would never do a 4 hr. club gig for anything less than twice whatever I got paid that night, we've all gone through the same thing.

My solution is what my band and I now do, which is to pretty much exlusively play "Town Common" style and/or festival gigs. Every town, in the Boston area anyways, has a town concert series when they hire bands to play their town common from 4-6 PM on a thursday evening or Sunday afternoon, usually at least 8 shows per year in each town.

It took a few years to get known in these annual venues, but at this stage we are doing 10-12 gigs a year, from Spring through Fall. Only two hours long, very appreciative family oriented audiences of all ages who are not falling off their bar stools, and we still get in bed at a decent hour! Our four piece band gets the going rate around here, from $4-$500 per gig.

I highly recommend it to all of you! My wife is fine with it, she knows that all the loose women are still at the bars (ha,ha!), and gigging out with my friends occasionally is my version of a game of golf recreation-wise, only cheaper- go for it, Tim!

These easy two hour town gigs have been my answer in my forty's to eternal youth- I'll see you at the "Classic Rock Cover Band Convention" in 2028 - Rock on!

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