BFM Bass rig

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gilmour · #16 Post by **gilmour** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:36 am

True true, that old rig is massive, does the cat do anythign for the tone?

I guess at the end of the day it is about personal taste. Just from that previous rig I would have thought tht the single 8" (rather than two 4x8's) would have been more noticebale. All conjecture I guess as I've never heard either rig !

Can't wait to se yours Dave

vlad335 · #17 Post by **vlad335** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:02 pm

Don't use me as a benchmark as to how well the O15 performs because for 95% of the bass players out there it would be more than enough. Like I said, I like alot of low end. Its just personal preference.

I recently heard from a drummer I used to play in a band with who relayed something interesting to me. He told me that he is constantly on his bass player to get more out of his rig and he can't. He says he has really good gear but its just not the same.

Contrary to what people may think here I don't play extremely loud. I still go through the board believe it or not.

I think a t-48 with my rig would be crazy even by my standards though. However, I may still build an O-15 sub to add some lows and I think the rig would be absolutely perfect for me. I have this little trick incorporated into my playing where I mute on the bridge and pluck the strings using my Boss EQ for alittle more boost. Its a thumpy dub sound that just isn't happening with a normal bass amp.

Heck, at least I don't use this much gear.

vlad335 · #18 Post by **vlad335** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:06 pm

Oh... I think I figured out why the O10.5 added so much. Back when I was building the Tallboy and considered piezos Bill told me to let the 8" speaker roll off. I had already bought all the crossover stuff and wired the 8" as you would with the compression horn. With a band pass crossover.

A lesson I keep learning over and over. When Bill says to do something a certain way, LISTEN!

Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:07 pm

vlad335 wrote:
Heck, at least I don't use this much gear.

A classic case of not knowing what you're doing. Even at the top of the food chain there's no lack of clueless roadies and equipment managers.

vlad335 · #20 Post by **vlad335** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:14 pm

Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:
vlad335 wrote:
Heck, at least I don't use this much gear.

A classic case of not knowing what you're doing. Even at the top of the food chain there's no lack of clueless roadies and equipment managers.

I think that was all John Entwistle. Dude had a serious fetish for equipment.

Tom · #21 Post by **Tom** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:35 pm

Still not as crazy as Geddy Lee's Rotisserie but on track to get there.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:09 pm

vlad335 wrote: I think that was all John Entwistle. Dude had a serious fetish for equipment.

But unfortunately not for educating himself on the best way to utilize it. Phil Lesh et al got it right.

Ron K · #23 Post by **Ron K** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:53 pm

The Who used to love blowing it all to the audience from the stage hence the huge stage stacks. I suppose after awhile you get used to your stage setup. Mixing them was probably a royal pain.

I heard them once at the Mid South Coliseum in Memphis Tenn. after Moons passing. They were very good but the production was just OK.Nothing to write home about! Entwistle used an Old Sunn rig if I remember right. 2 4 x 12s and some single 18"

David Robinson · #24 Post by **David Robinson** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:08 pm

Of course everyone remembers the story that of the Entwistle and Townshend volume wars that led to the development of the ubiquitous 4x12 guitar cab...

gilmour · #25 Post by **gilmour** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:08 pm

I once read an interview with John Entwistle where he said in the early days he would distract the shop assistants whilst Townsend and Moon would leg it off down the road with speaker cabs!

Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:21 pm

gitfiddl wrote:Of course everyone remembers the story that of the Entwistle and Townshend volume wars that led to the development of the ubiquitous 4x12 guitar cab...

The first commercially successful 4x12 is attributed to Jim Marshall, who built it as a bass cab to keep up with guitar 2x12s like the Fender Twin and Vox AC30. Guitar players co-opted them. Too bad Marshall didn't have a clue how speakers worked or he might have done it right, but he was only a drummer after all.

David Robinson · #27 Post by **David Robinson** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:45 pm

Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:
gitfiddl wrote:Of course everyone remembers the story that of the Entwistle and Townshend volume wars that led to the development of the ubiquitous 4x12 guitar cab...
The first commercially successful 4x12 is attributed to Jim Marshall, who built it as a bass cab to keep up with guitar 2x12s like the Fender Twin and Vox AC30. Guitar players co-opted them. Too bad Marshall didn't have a clue how speakers worked or he might have done it right, but he was only a drummer after all.

The story I heard was that ol' Pete wanted Jim to make an 8x12 to rival Entwistle's, all in an effort to be heard over Moon's drumming. Marshall's lack of understanding of speaker design aside, there's something to be said for a real Marshall amp running at "full tilt boogie"!