Charles Jenkinson wrote:
Their pod cast videos are however propaganda-rous - no factual data presented. Only if they still have a patent on the pneumatic isolation mount could no one have yet copied theirs - if my memory serves, patents only last 25 years. As to running one over with a tour bus, clearly the upper flaired part of the solid handle body is supporting the load from the relatively stiff tyre - failure modes are specific, as the deformable mesh screen indicates.
Bottom line is that they have been the industry standard for years. I've acquired some 58s used and got them mostly because they are recognizable and tell people that you are really a sound guy. Personally, I prefer condenser vocal mics, but due to their cost I don't have any that I'll put out for use in my rig.
It still boils down to the fact that you have to put the right mic with the right person and know which knobs to turn on the board......any mic can sound passable and any mic can sound like crap....just depends on who's singing the tune and who's tuning the song.
"A system with a few knobs set up by someone who knows what they are doing is always better than one with a lot of knobs set up by someone who doesn't."
Bruce Weldy wrote:
Yeah, Betas are not the same as regular 58s. They have the lobe in the back. I don't hear any real difference in the two mics - the Beta is just higher gain. Adjust for that and they sound pretty much the same - a little more hype on the high end for the Beta.
But it's more expensive, so it must be better! (said the guitarist @ church who bought a Beta 58 for himself to replace the SM58 the church had in front of him...)
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6 Wedgehorn W6 w/ Panel Mount Piezos
2 T48 Slims (15" wide) with 3012LF
4 T48 Fattys (32" wide) with 3015LF
Bruce Weldy wrote:
Yeah, Betas are not the same as regular 58s. They have the lobe in the back. I don't hear any real difference in the two mics - the Beta is just higher gain. Adjust for that and they sound pretty much the same - a little more hype on the high end for the Beta.
But it's more expensive, so it must be better! (said the guitarist @ church who bought a Beta 58 for himself to replace the SM58 the church had in front of him...)
Because of the higher gain, they instantly sound better because they are louder, so the unsuspecting buyer is wowed. However, I do like the tighter polar pattern. Anything to cut down on the stage leakage.
Of course, we should give credit to the SM58 for saving everyone the money of purchasing overheads for the drums....the cymbals bleed nicely with the shures....whether you want 'em to or not.
"A system with a few knobs set up by someone who knows what they are doing is always better than one with a lot of knobs set up by someone who doesn't."
NukePooch wrote:
But it's more expensive, so it must be better! (said the guitarist @ church who bought a Beta 58 for himself to replace the SM58 the church had in front of him...)
Because of the higher gain, they instantly sound better because they are louder, so the unsuspecting buyer is wowed. However, I do like the tighter polar pattern. Anything to cut down on the stage leakage.
Of course, we should give credit to the SM58 for saving everyone the money of purchasing overheads for the drums....the cymbals bleed nicely with the shures....whether you want 'em to or not.
In the guitarist's case, he didn't even listen to the mic. He just bought the more expensive one. He also only sings one song every other blue moon, so 98% of the time, the mic is muted. I'm still working on him to set gains on his 14 pedals so when he steps on certain ones it doesn't erupt in instant feedback. ~rolls eyes~
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4 Jack 112L- 3012HO, melded array
17.5 wide AutoTuba with Infinity 860w
6 Wedgehorn W6 w/ Panel Mount Piezos
2 T48 Slims (15" wide) with 3012LF
4 T48 Fattys (32" wide) with 3015LF
NukePooch wrote: I'm still working on him to set gains on his 14 pedals so when he steps on certain ones it doesn't erupt in instant feedback. ~rolls eyes~
As a guitarist, I'm embarrassed for my fellow 6-stringers when they do this stuff......
Did sound for a band the other day.....the pedal steel guitarist had a pedal board with at least a dozen pedals on it..... Yet, he still didn't play all that well.....you'd think with that many pedals, you'd have to be good.
I have to admit - I do use a pedal.....it's called a tuner.
"A system with a few knobs set up by someone who knows what they are doing is always better than one with a lot of knobs set up by someone who doesn't."
Bruce Weldy wrote:
I have to admit - I do use a pedal.....it's called a tuner.
Funny that.
All the guys in my last band lamented endlessly about not having back lit tuners.
So much so we had half a song written hehehehehe
Think singing back lit tuner to "ice ice baby" or "under pressure"...
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DR 250: x 2 melded array, 2x CD horn, March 2012 plans.
T39's: 4 x 20" KL3010LF , 2 x 28" 3012LF.
WH8: x 6 with melded array wired series/parallel. Bunter's Audio and Lighting "like"s would be most appreciated...
Bruce Weldy wrote:
I have to admit - I do use a pedal.....it's called a tuner.
Funny that.
All the guys in my last band lamented endlessly about not having back lit tuners.
So much so we had half a song written hehehehehe
Think singing back lit tuner to "ice ice baby" or "under pressure"...
No, no, no! Ice, Ice Baby was NOT a copy of Under Pressure! It wasn't even close! Vanilla Ice himself gave his word!
Back to reality, one of the best guitar tones I ever heard live was Jeff Beck. He had a 2-12 combo amp sitting on a folding chair. He plugged in direct, no pedals, but he did have a curly cord, which I think was the secret....you know Hendrix used one of those too...
Built:
4 Jack 112L- 3012HO, melded array
17.5 wide AutoTuba with Infinity 860w
6 Wedgehorn W6 w/ Panel Mount Piezos
2 T48 Slims (15" wide) with 3012LF
4 T48 Fattys (32" wide) with 3015LF
NukePooch wrote: I'm still working on him to set gains on his 14 pedals so when he steps on certain ones it doesn't erupt in instant feedback. ~rolls eyes~
As a guitarist, I'm embarrassed for my fellow 6-stringers when they do this stuff......
Did sound for a band the other day.....the pedal steel guitarist had a pedal board with at least a dozen pedals on it..... Yet, he still didn't play all that well.....you'd think with that many pedals, you'd have to be good.
I have to admit - I do use a pedal.....it's called a tuner.
What I always found hilarious is when the guitarist has a dozen pedals, and doesn't use any of them during the show OR steps on them so much it looks like he's stomping grapes, and the sound doesn't change.
Built:
4 Jack 112L- 3012HO, melded array
17.5 wide AutoTuba with Infinity 860w
6 Wedgehorn W6 w/ Panel Mount Piezos
2 T48 Slims (15" wide) with 3012LF
4 T48 Fattys (32" wide) with 3015LF
Am in discussion with a guy for a legit secondhand matched pair of AKG C1000s for £75, on a UK website; Preloved. They'll do as backup for the e835, plus a million and one other uses, apparently including door stop. Need to record our upright piano sometime, was the thinking. Fingers crossed the purchase works out. ...never knew small diaphragm condensers were the work horse of studios for good reasons - wish I had known it some time ago.
2xJ12L (3012HO) switchable/melded
2xT30
Words&graphics - Audio&Acoustics - Hardware&DSP; 3 different paradigms.
Anyone have any experience with a Behringer C-1? Just heard one at a bluegrass trio, and it sounded good, but they had to keep the vocals down LOW or else they had feedback. The 3 singers hung WAY back from it, like 2-3 feet. Ugh. Too bad, they had nice voices.
Yet, he still didn't play all that well.....you'd think with that many pedals, you'd have to be good.
