Amplifiers for BFM cabinets

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vesthardt
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Amplifiers for BFM cabinets

#1 Post by vesthardt »

Hello guys!

I am looking to power some cabinets in my setup in the best way possible for max performance. I have 2x Omnitop212 loaded with Beta12a-2 drivers and 2x Dr250 loaded with Deltalite II 2510. How many watts can I put into the cabinets? The drivers in the 212's are of course in parallel, so at 4 ohms where as the DR250's are at 8 ohms. Help much appreciated! P.S. I am aiming to play the absolute loudest with the cabinets as humanly possible before breaking them. Also, it should of course not sound distorted and weird, but clear.

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Vesthardt
Last edited by vesthardt on Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:27 am, edited 1 time in total.
Built:
4x Titan48, 18" wide loaded with Kappalite 3015LF
Bought:
2x DR250 w/ deltalite 2510 II
Building:
8x Omnitop 12 J-array w/ Delta Pro 12A and Melded/flat tweeter arrays
4x Titan48 18" wide w/ Kappalite 3015LF

Bruce Weldy
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Re: Amplifiers for BFM cabinets

#2 Post by Bruce Weldy »

vesthardt wrote: I am aiming to play the absolute loudest with the cabinets as humanly possible before breaking them. Also, it should of course not sound distorted and weird, but clear.
When the second condition begins to happen....turn it down. Then the first condition has been achieved.

Any amp with 500 watts at 4 ohms per side should achieve your goal.

6 - T39 3012LF
4 - OT12 2512
1 - T24
1 - SLA Pro
2 - XF210


"A system with a few knobs set up by someone who knows what they are doing is always better than one with a lot of knobs set up by someone who doesn't."

vesthardt
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Re: Amplifiers for BFM cabinets

#3 Post by vesthardt »

Bruce Weldy wrote:
vesthardt wrote: I am aiming to play the absolute loudest with the cabinets as humanly possible before breaking them. Also, it should of course not sound distorted and weird, but clear.
When the second condition begins to happen....turn it down. Then the first condition has been achieved.

Any amp with 500 watts at 4 ohms per side should achieve your goal.
So 500W for 1 OTop212 and 1 DR250?
Built:
4x Titan48, 18" wide loaded with Kappalite 3015LF
Bought:
2x DR250 w/ deltalite 2510 II
Building:
8x Omnitop 12 J-array w/ Delta Pro 12A and Melded/flat tweeter arrays
4x Titan48 18" wide w/ Kappalite 3015LF

Bruce Weldy
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Re: Amplifiers for BFM cabinets

#4 Post by Bruce Weldy »

vesthardt wrote:
Bruce Weldy wrote:
vesthardt wrote: I am aiming to play the absolute loudest with the cabinets as humanly possible before breaking them. Also, it should of course not sound distorted and weird, but clear.
When the second condition begins to happen....turn it down. Then the first condition has been achieved.

Any amp with 500 watts at 4 ohms per side should achieve your goal.
So 500W for 1 OTop212 and 1 DR250?

If the amp delivers 500 watts at 4 ohms.....it will put out 300-350 at 8 ohms. Plenty for each application.

6 - T39 3012LF
4 - OT12 2512
1 - T24
1 - SLA Pro
2 - XF210


"A system with a few knobs set up by someone who knows what they are doing is always better than one with a lot of knobs set up by someone who doesn't."

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Re: Amplifiers for BFM cabinets

#5 Post by kkip »

Bruce Weldy wrote:
vesthardt wrote: I am aiming to play the absolute loudest with the cabinets as humanly possible before breaking them. Also, it should of course not sound distorted and weird, but clear.
When the second condition begins to happen....turn it down. Then the first condition has been achieved.
Any amp with 500 watts at 4 ohms per side should achieve your goal.
I limit my OT12s at 35V which is about the threshold of distortion. Which means I need about 150 watts minimum per cabinet. I run 4 cabinet on on one Peavey IPR1600 amp, 2 cabinets per channel. The amp is rated at 530w/ch at 4 ohms.
4 x T39 - 20" - 3012LF (Built 2)
4 x OT12 - 2512 - Melded/D220Ti
1 x TAT - GTO804

commander_dan
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Re: Amplifiers for BFM cabinets

#6 Post by commander_dan »

vesthardt wrote:
So 500W for 1 OTop212 and 1 DR250?
Out of curiosity, are you running the 212's with the DR250's together, like 1 of each per side?
Built:
6 T30 (24", 3012LF)
2 OT12 (MA, 3012HO)
2 T24 (18", 3010LF)

Running:
DCX2496
XTi 2002
XTi 4002
TRAKTOR Z2
TECHNICS 1210 Mk5's

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Re: Amplifiers for BFM cabinets

#7 Post by Grant Bunter »

The magic number for the displacement limit for 2510's in DR250's is 40V.
You will get distortion at that figure, but that's their displacement limit...
Built:
DR 250: x 2 melded array, 2x CD horn, March 2012 plans.
T39's: 4 x 20" KL3010LF , 2 x 28" 3012LF.
WH8: x 6 with melded array wired series/parallel.
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vesthardt
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Re: Amplifiers for BFM cabinets

#8 Post by vesthardt »

I have completely changed my setup now. I am selling my DR250's and my OTop212's. Instead I am building 2 J-arrays consisting of 4 omnitops per side.

So far I have 2 amplifiers giving out 2x300W in 4ohms each. Which means that with those 2 amps I will get a total of 150W per cabinet. How loud do you think they will go RMS in dB? the drivers are Delta pro-12A
Built:
4x Titan48, 18" wide loaded with Kappalite 3015LF
Bought:
2x DR250 w/ deltalite 2510 II
Building:
8x Omnitop 12 J-array w/ Delta Pro 12A and Melded/flat tweeter arrays
4x Titan48 18" wide w/ Kappalite 3015LF

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Re: Amplifiers for BFM cabinets

#9 Post by Tom Smit »

Add 21db to the base SPL at 1w.
TomS

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