'Punisher' horn subs

[Middelkevin]

Hi,

A employee of my dad saw me building my titan's 48.
He's got a couple of the 'punisher sub'. loaded with a 12 inch.
My titan's have got the 3015 driver and is 36'' wide.
If I tested them which one would be louder and has a higher sensitivity?

Does anyone have a spl chart?



Thanks!

[Grant Bunter]

I could only find an SPL chart for the driver, not the punisher cab.

The driver is a Ciare PW 332.
Xmax 11mm, QTS 0.41, Fs 41 Hz.

The claimed output of the punisher is 104dB/1m and good for 1000W AES output, with a HP of 45Hz for 2 cabs.

Looks more like a T30 to me...

edit: don't second guess your decision to build T48's. They will hit very hard being 36" wide and loaded with 3015lf's...

[Middelkevin]

Thanks!

I will never regret I make the titan's.
Just wanted to have a comparison between the two.
I don't think there will be anything that will fill my needs more than the titan's do!

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

Just wanted to have a comparison between the two.

There are three basic methods of comparison: the horn length, the horn mouth area and the driver displacement. Your T48s are superior in all three, by a good margin.

[Middelkevin]

Just wanted to have a comparison between the two.

There are three basic methods of comparison: the horn length, the horn mouth area and the driver displacement. Your T48s are superior in all three, by a good margin.

The horn length you say, what is the horn length of a Titan 48?
I'd like to know this to set the delay on my mains.

[Bruce Weldy]

Just wanted to have a comparison between the two.

There are three basic methods of comparison: the horn length, the horn mouth area and the driver displacement. Your T48s are superior in all three, by a good margin.

The horn length you say, what is the horn length of a Titan 48?
I'd like to know this to set the delay on my mains.

I think the T48 is around 9 feet. But, more important than delaying the tops to the subs is delaying the tops to the backline. That time difference can be heard - the difference in the subs can't.

Good news is if you delay to about nine or ten feet, you've probably kill two birds with one stone for most small venues.

[Middelkevin]

I think the T48 is around 9 feet. But, more important than delaying the tops to the subs is delaying the tops to the backline. That time difference can be heard - the difference in the subs can't.

Good news is if you delay to about nine or ten feet, you've probably kill two birds with one stone for most small venues.[/quote]

I will set a delay for the mains to match the subs, from there I will look for a backline delay.
But there will be a standard delay of 9ft on the mains then.

I think this is the best solution?

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

I will set a delay for the mains to match the subs, from there I will look for a backline delay.

You need to delay the mains to the backline. That's critical, because they're playing the same content in the midrange, where a time align differential as short as 5ms can be easily heard. Don't worry about matching the mains to the subs, as below 100Hz it takes a time align differential of at least 20ms to be heard.

[Middelkevin]

What do you mean setting a delay on the mains backline?

[Ryan Sober]

What do you mean setting a delay on the mains backline?

He means, set a delay on the mains to match the backline (the performers' amplifiers, the drum kit, etc).
If you put a ~10ms delay on the mains, you almost match the amps and drums to the mains, which is good for midrange clarity.
If you are a DJ, then that advice is irrelevant.

[Middelkevin]

What do you mean setting a delay on the mains backline?

He means, set a delay on the mains to match the backline (the performers' amplifiers, the drum kit, etc).
If you put a ~10ms delay on the mains, you almost match the amps and drums to the mains, which is good for midrange clarity.
If you are a DJ, then that advice is irrelevant.

Oh I see!
I know what you mean, I did't understand it in english..

Thanks!

[iamlowsound]

I will set a delay for the mains to match the subs, from there I will look for a backline delay.

You need to delay the mains to the backline. That's critical, because they're playing the same content in the midrange, where a time align differential as short as 5ms can be easily heard. Don't worry about matching the mains to the subs, as below 100Hz it takes a time align differential of at least 20ms to be heard.

Just move everyone to in ears, problem solved and you never have to worry about stage bleed!

lowsound

[Bruce Weldy]

I will set a delay for the mains to match the subs, from there I will look for a backline delay.

You need to delay the mains to the backline. That's critical, because they're playing the same content in the midrange, where a time align differential as short as 5ms can be easily heard. Don't worry about matching the mains to the subs, as below 100Hz it takes a time align differential of at least 20ms to be heard.

Just move everyone to in ears, problem solved and you never have to worry about stage bleed!

lowsound

Monitors are not backline. Amps and drums are backline. In-ears won't change that.

However, monitor wash can be an issue too, but not nearly as much as the instruments.

[iamlowsound]

Just move everyone to in ears, problem solved and you never have to worry about stage bleed!

lowsound

Monitors are not backline. Amps and drums are backline. In-ears won't change that.

However, monitor wash can be an issue too, but not nearly as much as the instruments.

Everyone goes direct and you have a sound proof drum cage or electric drums! Well, in an ideal world. Or a big enough even/stage where the backline wont make it past the first row.

lowsound

[Bruce Weldy]

Everyone goes direct and you have electric drums!

That's exactly what my band does.....but, that's not the norm. And I've never run sound for another band that didn't have some backline. That would make life much easier.