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Poor Man's Wireless In Ear monitors

#1 Post by dswpro »

I have a pair of wedge horn 6 monitors that blow pretty much all other non- BFM monitors out of the water for vocals on stage but sometimes there's just too much noise on stage for singers to hear themselves. Wireless In Ears are out of reach to most casual / weekend musicians.

While there are wired solutions around that work pretty well, I looked on Amazon and found some low power (100mw-500mw) FM stereo transmitters. I figured I will give one a shot, and it worked very well, though it took some careful setup.

Here's what I did - YMMV. I posted these notes on another forum I participate in as well but I thought the community here might also like to hear.

I bought the SainSonic 0.5W Long Range (10km) Dual Mode Stereo Broadcast FM Radio Transmitter (in *Fashion Black*); there are other models but this was the only one that clearly contained all the moving parts. Wall-wart power supply, 1/4 wave antenna, transmitter. There is at least one transmitter on Amazon with switchable 100/500 mw power. This one is fixed at 500 mw (1/2 a watt).

The SainSonic was roughly seventy five dollars. Free shipping with my "prime" account.

I received the transmitter, and just like so many high quality low price items from the far east, - no manual, but it couldn't be easier to operate. Plug in the power cord, 1/4 wave antenna, a line source, select a broadcast frequency adjust the input level and you are on the air.

The line input on the SainSonic is a front panel 1/8 in stereo consumer level input and is easy to overload. My first test was to simply play some music from my tablet into the transmitter and listen with an mp3 player which also has an FM tuner (Creative Labs-Zen I had lying around) I walked around the house and this little guy was covering well over a hundred feet very well. I did not try longer distances as I don’t expect to really need more than 200 feet, conveniently the FCC limit for part 15 low power transmitter operation. I checked- The FCC part 15 rule permits low power FM broadcasting (under 200 feet). I'm no lawyer, so don’t take this as legal advice.

But what frequency to use? This thing broadcasts on the standard 88-108 MHz band all our local FM stations occupy. Fortunately radio-locator.com has a vacant frequency finder. Just put in your location and it will list the frequencies nobody in the area is licensed to broadcast on. The bad news here is for people living in highly-populated areas like New-York city. There are NO vacant frequencies there, so if you are considering this approach - check your local listings. You may still be able to over-power local stations within the building you are in, but that doesn’t mean your FM receivers will discern your signal enough to be useable, so be warned. You also don’t want to go around broadcasting on top of licensed stations your neighbors may be enjoying. A 200 foot broadcast can affect a lot of people in a densely populated area, so be considerate.

The other thing I noticed is that if this little guy is within a few feet of unbalanced cables it will easily modulate a signal onto the cable or into equipment that may not be well shielded. So much for setting this thing on the FOH console. Still, I was pleasantly surprised with the quality, so I decided to use the transmitter / mp3 player in a live setting.

Without announcing to anyone what I was trying I sent a monitor feed to the transmitter during sound check and the first part of a set I was mixing for a local band. I should say two monitor feeds as the unit is stereo and I did not have a y cable handy. The transmitter does not have a "mono" only or sum operational mode, as most pro in-ear transmitters do.

Did I mention the unit is easy to overload? You bet. If you try this using an analog mixer you'd better use a compressor between your output and the transmitter input. Fortunately I was using a digital desk with compression available everywhere, so no problem. (Yet another reason to go digital!!) I experimented with various thresholds and ratios and ended up running 2.5:1 ratio with a very low threshold (meaning everything is compressed) zero attack time, and a generously long hold/release. The whole time I was making adjustments I was listening to my Zen MP3 player FM radio receiving the mix I was broadcasting. A limiter may have worked just as well. Again, this adjustment very subjective but some compression / limiting is absolutely required.

After a few songs I brought the Mp3 player / FM radio with some cheap new skull candy ear buds to the lead singer and asked her to try them. She smiled from ear to ear the rest of the set, and through the next set. She sang better, kept in pitch, and I was able to drop her from the wedges, significantly reducing stage volume and feedback potential.

The bass player saw what I was doing and pulled out his HTC EVO phone. It has an FM radio. Now he had ears. Cool freebie.

So between the transmitter and receiver I'm in for a hundred bucks. Far less expensive than pro-wireless ears and the cost of adding another listener is minimal, zero for the bass player. Most of the bands I work with can get by on one or two monitor mixes, so I will be picking up another FM transmitter soon for the guitar players.

Is this for everybody? Absolutely not. Is this as good as pro wireless in-ear monitors? No way. FM transmitters do not have the dynamic range the pro units deliver. If your artists are very discerning, they may not like the sound. Then again, for a low budget solution this has real promise.

Again your mileage may vary, but this is pretty cool. :)

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I like this.

As a PA newbie, would an attenuator cable/device free up some dynamic range, over using a compressor/limiter?

For once, they're cheap in the uk too.

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I'm concerned about the combined background and earbud levels being seriously deafening.
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#5 Post by Charles Jenkinson »

As someone who has never used IEM's, my thinking is that there is probably some attentuation of background noise due to the physical obstruction and some volume addition from the in-ears. It doesnt strike me as all additive. There's the option of going to noise cancelling in-ear buds, but then it would sound just like you were listening to the radio, which just on its own would be unreal and require a good foldback mix.
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#6 Post by dswpro »

To use them effectively you should use "noise isolating" headphones. Ones which completely block the ear canal or cover the ear, sealing out ambient noise. "Noise Cancelling" headphones use a microphone to pick up the ambient sound then reverse the phase of that signal and mix it into the audio signal effectively ( but not completely) "cancelling" the ambient noise. I've always felt these sound like they are "sucking the air out of my head" (yes there is plenty in there). I have a set of Shure E-2 in ears with replaceable foam sleeves. The foam stays in the ear canal better than usual rubber sleeves, especially when moving around or sweating.

Standard "ear-buds" which do not seal the ear canal will not be useful. They let too much ambient sound in.
The mix is also critical. many performers desire an ambient microphone ( I often use a drum overhead) in their "in-ear" mix so they feel connected to the room around them.
with respect to simply lowering the output level of the mix on the way to the transmitter, that may work for folk music or music which does not have peaky dynamics, but there are plenty of used compressors out there and I would surely use one. The FM transmitters have little or no headroom and clip quite unpleasantly.

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An easy way to create a well fitting sealed earbud is to order a/b silicone. You put your favorite bud in your ear mix up the putty in your hands smash it in and wait about thirty seconds. Instant custom molded ear bud. Our drummer has been using one set up like this for a few weeks now and loves it. This stuff is dirt cheap. If anyone is interested I will find out exactly where he ordered it from.

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What do you mean 'smash it in?' Are you talking about headphones that sit in your ear (like the old iPhone standby), or in-ear headphones that come with rubber pieces to go around the speaker (like a sennheiser 300)?
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bmf wrote:An easy way to create a well fitting sealed earbud is to order a/b silicone. You put your favorite bud in your ear mix up the putty in your hands smash it in and wait about thirty seconds. Instant custom molded ear bud. Our drummer has been using one set up like this for a few weeks now and loves it. This stuff is dirt cheap. If anyone is interested I will find out exactly where he ordered it from.
Funny, I have never thought of that. Google DIY molded ear buds and you find plenty of how-to's. Thanks for the head's up.
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Gauss wrote:What do you mean 'smash it in?' Are you talking about headphones that sit in your ear (like the old iPhone standby), or in-ear headphones that come with rubber pieces to go around the speaker (like a sennheiser 300)?
"Smash it in" may have been a bit of a simplified term. You do have to be a little careful (DO NOT COVER THE BACK SIDE). The goal is to create a form fitting insert that is secured around the body of the bud. My point was for a "poor mans" setup this works very well. The single bud he used was around $30. If you are using a very expensive bud you probably can afford to have an earpiece made for you anyway.

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#11 Post by gzc_stageTech »

Don,

I ordered a long wave FM transmitter from Fail Safe after reading your thread. I thought, what the heck, I'll try it. I ordered it last Thursday and received it (from CA) yesterday. Radio and power supply was right at $100.

http://www.amazon.com/Fail-Safe-100mW-5 ... 61-9961467

I haven't yet tried it, but I will soon. I have a loose compressor/gate laying around the place so I'll try that as well. It all seems simple enough.

Do you run it on the low power (0.1W) or high power (0.5W)? If on high, do you have to attenuate the transmission to keep the FCC off your doorstop? I've seen 5, 10, & 20 dB BNC line attenuators. One of the radio reviewers suggested using the 10 dB to keep the output corralled. Any thoughts?

I'm really interested to see the possibility (and quality).

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#12 Post by gzc_stageTech »

Here's a quick followup.

I setup the transmitter with a stereo feed from the mixer and adjusted the gain down so I wouldn't over modulate the transmitter. Then I dialed into an unused frequency in this area and used my mp3 player with internal FM tuner to listen to the broadcast. It has a very nice sound. And in true stereo too.

Next to try it for in ear monitoring.

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#13 Post by gtrdrumsplayerduarte »

I was trying to acomplish the same you did with the fm transmitter. I have one small transmitter with an external antenna, I don`t know how many watts but it can reach something like 100 meters in open air. I do have also a portable battery operated Belkin Transmitter I did that antenna mod for greatter range.
I`m trying to put a children/teen band choir on inears for the lowest budget possible :) using their android phones. Please check out http://www.clubedemusica.com to get the idea.

Both my transmitters transmit lots of hiss from the start. I`ve been trying to raise the signal to noise ratio using the compression method advised. It helped a lot but still It`s a lot of hiss.
The website for the sainsonic says you should expect more the 60db dynamic range from their model. That should give me a margin I`m not getting with my transmitters.

http://www.sainsonic.com/sainsonic-0-5w ... black.html

My question is, do you think It`s worth buying the sainsonic? Or this hissy performance is all I can achieve? (Bear in mind when I transmitt mp3 music I can`t detect the hiss, but when I put live monitoring with a microphone it`s a lot of hiss)

(Keep in mind the hiss doesn`t come from the mixer or microphone, i`ve tested that too :)

Do you think It can a performance a leat like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzqKUf09wI4

Help please.

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Bad link; I couldn't find the correct link: http://www.sainsonic.com/sainsonic-0-5w ... black.html
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I`m trying to put a children/teen band choir on inears for the lowest budget possible :) using their android phones. Please check out http://www.clubedemusica.com to get the idea.
Wow, that is quite the feat! If you can do as well as the video, then, you've done well!
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