For the ones who uses tops with a sub ,driverack PX

[maxo]

Ok, so i was looking what the Drive Rack PA and PX differences are

The PX is cheaper because is basically a 2 way crossover,
with all the bells and whistles of the PA like the limiters at the outputs
but it only have
2 outs for the mains ( left and right )
and 2 outs for the subs ( left/mono and right )
so you can use 2 tops and one sub
or 2 tops and 2 subs for stereo sub setup

since bass freqs are non directional , i will never bother with stereo subs

so the drive rack PX will fit the bill nicely
you can get second hand ones on ebay for 199 if you got luck

i will get one for myself soon
just want to share

( unless you want to go 3 or 4 way active )
but i doubt as the bill designs favours the internal passive crossover on the tops
so
stick with the 2 way driverack px
or you can get a behringer dcx but i think that the DBX reliability is better than the DCx's

Max.

[Bruce Weldy]

Ok, so i was looking what the Drive Rack PA and PX differences are

The PX is cheaper because is basically a 2 way crossover,
with all the bells and whistles of the PA like the limiters at the outputs
but it only have
2 outs for the mains ( left and right )
and 2 outs for the subs ( left/mono and right )
so you can use 2 tops and one sub
or 2 tops and 2 subs for stereo sub setup

since bass freqs are non directional , i will never bother with stereo subs

so the drive rack PX will fit the bill nicely
you can get second hand ones on ebay for 199 if you got luck

i will get one for myself soon
just want to share

( unless you want to go 3 or 4 way active )
but i doubt as the bill designs favours the internal passive crossover on the tops
so
stick with the 2 way driverack px
or you can get a behringer dcx but i think that the DBX reliability is better than the DCx's

Max.

+1 Everything you said was correct.

[fyah2k5]

Now I'm caught between deciding which to use. I coming from a 3 way active system and i wanna build my system up with just BFM cabs, 2xOTOP12 and 4XT39s

In this case it would be easier to go with the PX instead of the PA. Thing is, i dont wanna limit myself in the sense that the PA maybe needed later down the line if expanding the system. buy once, cry once they say, right?

in that case, how would i hook up my amps to a PA+ to play the above mentioned setup?

[Gregory East]

You're only limited in not being able to run delay stacks.

Can you still buy PA+? I thought it was all Driverack260 now.

fyi, someone tallied up the electronics parts lists on the b'ringer and drpa, same components. They should have sorted out the power supply by now.

[fyah2k5]

I am in no way ready to step up to the 260. When it gets closer to that time I'll make a decision. I don't really have a problem with Berry equipment. A friend of mine sees them as utter rubbish. He's a professional dj in canada. Keeps telling me to keep away.

[Bruce Weldy]

I am in no way ready to step up to the 260.

Nor are 99% of the people building these systems either.

[fyah2k5]

Exactly my point. Question though, how would one go about running a 3 or 4 way system with BFM cabs? At that point, it would be better to have the PA+ at that point.

[Bruce Weldy]

Exactly my point. Question though, how would one go about running a 3 or 4 way system with BFM cabs? At that point, it would be better to have the PA+ at that point.

99% run two way only...

Unless you are planning to bi-amp your tops - you'll never need a three way crossover in a BFM system. Most everyone (with only a couple of exceptions) run the passive crossovers that are in the plans. They sound good are are much cheaper to run (less amps).

Currently Bill doesn't offer any kick bins, or separate mid or hi boxes - and based on his comments, I don't think he ever will. So, if you are building a BFM system - you shouldn't need any more than a two-way crossover.

Now, if you are planning DR300s - then get a three way.....but, you have to post pictures.....I haven't seen one yet outside of the sales page.

[BrentEvans]

Currently Bill doesn't offer any kick bins, or separate mid or hi boxes - and based on his comments, I don't think he ever will. So, if you are building a BFM system - you shouldn't need any more than a two-way crossover.

Now, if you are planning DR300s - then get a three way.....but, you have to post pictures.....I haven't seen one yet outside of the sales page.

Don't forget that all the tops have compression driver options. If one was to build those with the premium drivers all the way around, I'd argue for biamping any of them. A high power hit to the mids can cause the highs to distort a bit with many amps... but not if you biamp.

[Bruce Weldy]

Currently Bill doesn't offer any kick bins, or separate mid or hi boxes - and based on his comments, I don't think he ever will. So, if you are building a BFM system - you shouldn't need any more than a two-way crossover.

Now, if you are planning DR300s - then get a three way.....but, you have to post pictures.....I haven't seen one yet outside of the sales page.

Don't forget that all the tops have compression driver options. If one was to build those with the premium drivers all the way around, I'd argue for biamping any of them. A high power hit to the mids can cause the highs to distort a bit with many amps... but not if you biamp.

For those of you who are new.....Brent is the 1%

You are absolutely right, but I've have a pair of OT12s with the CDs and I have no desire to bi-amp. I strongly considered it, but after I heard the passives crossovers - I saw no reason.

I understand why someone in your position would do it, but the average weekend warrior here is probably better off living with the passive crossovers and saving the time, energy, and money it would take to get the set up correct.

But certainly - any cab can be bi-amped.

And Brent, when are you going to dump those DR200s and build some 300s so you can video 'em and blow us all away?

[BrentEvans]

For those of you who are new.....Brent is the 1%
I understand why someone in your position would do it, but the average weekend warrior here is probably better off living with the passive crossovers and saving the time, energy, and money it would take to get the set up correct.

LOL!!! OK... we'll got with your interpretation! In all fairness I'm just a weekend warrior like the rest of you guys when it comes to this stuff. I do happen to be lucky enough to do installations during the week... but not every week....

Golden ears are a curse, I'm telling you.

What kind of "position" do you think I occupy, anyway?!?

And Brent, when are you going to dump those DR200s and build some 300s so you can video 'em and blow us all away?

Man, I never thought those videos would get any attention, but they really have proven popular.

I thought about moving up to 250s, but I think I'm going to expand to 8 200s and a herd of Titans. Being able to move it all by myself is important to me.

[Bruce Weldy]

What kind of "position" do you think I occupy, anyway?!?

Around here, it's one of high esteem.

[maxo]

You're only limited in not being able to run delay stacks.

Can you still buy PA+? I thought it was all Driverack260 now.

fyi, someone tallied up the electronics parts lists on the b'ringer and drpa, same components. They should have sorted out the power supply by now.

PA+ still on the dbx current line up

http://www.dbxpro.com/en-US/product_families/driverack

http://www.zzounds.com/item--DBXDRPAPLUS

thing is that there is only 100 bucks price variation between the PA+ and PX
still the PX on the used market is a big bang for the buck
you can get one on ebay for 199 if you get lucky
or maybe craiglist

[fyah2k5]

Alright cool. I don't have a problem with a 2 way system. Funny is, I'm coming from a 3 way with speakers and amps to play all 3 sections. Ditched that for some powered speakers for tops and ported 18s. Now I've stumbled across this and I wanna try BFM cabs.

What's really got me flipping is being able to move my entire sound system by myself. Only thing that'll be heavy is my amp rack cause I'll have to use the old torodial transformer amps cause the power here in Jamaica can be less than desirable at times. I'll go with a PX then, cause I'll only have a single stack of BFM cabs. Mostly outdoor playing so titans will be V-Plated with Otops on top.