How the He11 do U deal with sound "experts" in the booth?

[mattaudio]

How can you not have compassion on someone who is consumed by bitterness and who knows what else?

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

How can you not have compassion on someone who is consumed by bitterness and who knows what else?

Compassion? No. This:

[Harley]

.. particularly in a church where compassion should be foremost. Someone will always complain...making them feel listened to will usually defuse the situation.

I thought that was the Pastors' job.

[Greg Plouvier]

The boxes are mounted too high, which you've acknowledged, and the down tilted array won't fix that. The whole box should be tilted, which you also acknowledged. You also mention you're relying on wedges to fill uncovered areas. That' not a good thing. The mad guy might've been on to something....maybe he didn't come across right, but really.....

[Slim]

So "Some a$$hole" has criticised your work, and you didn't like the way he did it.

So then you " blitzed him with "room cancellation modes", "boundary reflections", "phase coherence", "bandwidth equalization" and any other term I could work into my tirade." until "He slinked away." This all happened inside a church? In front of other people, children?

Then you come on to the message board swearing and carrying on, and end by implying that were you younger violence would have been an option. Followed by a smiley face so I'm thinking that bit is a joke.

To me, in my opinion, you two guys don't sound that different from each other.

[Bruce Weldy]

So "Some a$$hole" has criticised your work, and you didn't like the way he did it.

So then you " blitzed him with "room cancellation modes", "boundary reflections", "phase coherence", "bandwidth equalization" and any other term I could work into my tirade." until "He slinked away." This all happened inside a church? In front of other people, children?

Then you come on to the message board swearing and carrying on, and end by implying that were you younger violence would have been an option. Followed by a smiley face so I'm thinking that bit is a joke.

To me, in my opinion, you two guys don't sound that different from each other.

[Harley]

The conflict spills over

[Slim]

I'm not trying to offend anyone, and I realize my post was not contributing to the question in the original post.

I think if this happened in a bar I would not have posted at all. Although yelling down some nobody in a bar who's passed comment about the band or whatever doesn't seem very productive. But I suppose I thought that there is a certain code of conduct in a Church, like in a dojo: no swearing, mutual respect, lead by/set an example, that sort of thing.

[Grant Bunter]

Slim,
I think you missed some vital info.
Lou C was approached and sworn at in the church by this "critic".

Later in the thread Lou said it was more a rant here than anything else.

In the same situation I'd be pissed off as well.

If it was in a bar you'd probably be getting paid, and putting up with crap at times goes with the territory.
It's a bit harsh when someone comes up to you in church and gives you a mouthful, when time and experience is donated though...

[byacey]

I suppose I thought that there is a certain code of conduct in a Church, like in a dojo: no swearing, mutual respect, lead by/set an example, that sort of thing.

I believe there should be a level of respect. It appears the complainer overstepped the bounds of proper etiquette in his criticisms. I would never respond back with rude language to anyone like this, not even in a bar, and in turn, I demand the the same courtesy.

In my example, I would offer the individual the opportunity to present a solution, or at least describe in detail the problem. If they can't provide either, I can only surmise they are:
a) A nutcase
b) Someone taking their frustrations out on me in a rude manner
c) A chronic complainer

In all three cases I would immediately dismiss them. If they can present a valid concern, I'm all ears.

[Gauss]

Hotel owner sounds used to barking at people. Sometimes it's a useful personality to have. In other news: Christians, while struggling to do the right thing, are actually imperfect.

I try to be kind but firm - "Sorry, your song isn't going to be played; It's loud because we're playing to excite the crowd over there and that's why we've been hired; I'm not going to play your song next, why don't you try to have some fun?" I've heard other Christians be blunt about complaints, and it shocked me, but the things people say to soundmen are ridiculous. Maybe do what I do with the kids: "Try that again with a polite voice," and smile.

[LouC]

In retrospect, a thread I probably shouldn't have started! Sorry 'bout that, I'll not do it again.

Most of this congregation is pretty cool. I did my best to humor this guy, solicit his input, asked him for specifics, but he had to be right. Turns out he's a constant PITA for the pastor and a lot of other folks too. Don't think imperfection is limited to me, Christians, or any other group. He's just another guy who thinks his monetary "contributions" entitle him to be in charge.

Never been a big "church" guy, (IMO no one institution has an inside track) I just like most of the people there. I think these folks do a lot more for the community than most of the "big cathedral" parishes, that's why I joined. They have a lot more fun too. More of the budget goes into the mission than the bling.

Half the vocalists and musicians are clearly not ready for prime time. But that's what happens when all are welcomed. We do our best to make them sound good.
As far as the sound system goes, another $5K-$10K could improve it, but that money is probably better spent on the preschool, community outreach programs, and less affluent parishioners. We made lemonade.

[Bruce Weldy]

In retrospect, a thread I probably shouldn't have started! Sorry 'bout that, I'll not do it again.

Most of this congregation is pretty cool. I did my best to humor this guy, solicit his input, asked him for specifics, but he had to be right. Turns out he's a constant PITA for the pastor and a lot of other folks too. Don't think imperfection is limited to me, Christians, or any other group. He's just another guy who thinks his monetary "contributions" entitle him to be in charge.

Never been a big "church" guy, (IMO no one institution has an inside track) I just like most of the people there. I think these folks do a lot more for the community than most of the "big cathedral" parishes, that's why I joined. They have a lot more fun too. More of the budget goes into the mission than the bling.

Half the vocalists and musicians are clearly not ready for prime time. But that's what happens when all are welcomed. We do our best to make them sound good.
As far as the sound system goes, another $5K-$10K could improve it, but that money is probably better spent on the preschool, community outreach programs, and less affluent parishioners. We made lemonade.

Nothing wrong with this thread.....a little rant never hurt anyone. And I'll assume that most, like me, who answered have been through the same thing - and offering our, "you shoulda' said"s were just mini-rants on our part.

[Tom Smit]

More of the budget goes into the mission than the bling.

This is what's important.

Half the vocalists and musicians are clearly not ready for prime time. But that's what happens when all are welcomed. We do our best to make them sound good.

Same with ours, some are quite good yet others merely OK. It's the heart that counts, here.

As far as the sound system goes, another $5K-$10K could improve it, but that money is probably better spent on the preschool, community outreach programs, and less affluent parishioners. We made lemonade.

Very true.

[guitarkeys.com]

If the same thing happened to me, I suppose my first response would have been - "Nice to finally meet you Mr. Weldy, can I call you Bruce?'

He knows I'm joking