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BrentEvans wrote: The only problem is that you can't possibly know the "scientifically best spot" unless you model the room,
:D That was meant as a joke. I usually do the middle of the dancefloor.
BrentEvans wrote: this is an ongoing process throughout the event. This also means you MUST protect your ears... they will go into a midrange protect mode after extended exposure to high levels.
I do need to do this more.
Good to know about your ears.

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subharmonic wrote:Does anyone know of a EQ software that you run on your computer? Not auto EQ, just a plain ol' 31 band graphic, light program.

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Tom Smit wrote:
subharmonic wrote:Does anyone know of a EQ software that you run on your computer? Not auto EQ, just a plain ol' 31 band graphic, light program.

Thanks.
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Haha. LOL. YW. :wink:
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#20 Post by loudsubz »

BrentEvans wrote:Software that can do real time audio manipulation, and do it well, is somewhat rare. The free DAW [img]Reaper[/img] can do it... but you still really need a pro level sound card to get good quality and approach real time latency. The cheapest interfaces out there can do it, even used, are going to be several hundred dollars, and require a PCI card or a really good firewire interface (TI Chipset).

I like "RoomEQWizard" which you can download from the Home Theater Shack forum (membership is free). The newest version of it has a RTA function, as well as a swept-sine measuring function which will automatically calculate EQ points to flatten your system. You can then put those parametric points into your amp, and you'll be in good shape. You can then run a feedback destroyer or some such to get rid of the feedback...

Bear in mind that just running pink noise an looking at an analyzer while you adjust EQ is not all there is to tuning a PA. You should do that much outside, get the system flat using the tuning available in your DriveRack, and then use the analyzer in the room to find room modes and balance the sound in the room as much as possible by manipulating the location of your speakers... you can't fix a phase or modulation problem with EQ.
Do you know what hardware is required for the Room EQ Wizard? I am in need of a decent RTA and not sure if its best to go with a used analog unit or use something like this.

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#21 Post by BrentEvans »

You need a small 2 channel USB interface and a measurement mic. I use the Dayton EMM6 mic, and an Allen & Heath Zed 10 console (it's a multi-purpose tool for me), but I also like the Presonus AudioBox 22VSL.
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#22 Post by el_ingeniero »

loudsubz wrote:I am in need of a decent RTA and not sure if its best to go with a used analog unit or use something like this.
I was not aware that any analog RTAs existed. I think what you're thinking of are signal processor boxes, like the Behringer DEQ2496.

IMO, you don't need to spend top dollar on a sound card and mic to get adequate results for RTA.

A lot of people in the hifi world swear by the E-mu 0404 for doing measurements. You can pick up a used one off Ebay or CL for $125 or less.

As far as I can tell, the Behringer, JBL, dbx and Audix measurement mics are identical (at least on the outside), but the Behringer mic is like $50, even less used.

In combination with REW, this would work fine.

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#23 Post by BrentEvans »

el_ingeniero wrote:I was not aware that any analog RTAs existed. I think what you're thinking of are signal processor boxes, like the Behringer DEQ2496.
They exist, but are inferior to PC based RTA, and RTA built into other products (like the DCX). PC based is (usually) the best, followed by hardware TEF, followed by hardware frequency analyzer.
IMO, you don't need to spend top dollar on a sound card and mic to get adequate results for RTA.

A lot of people in the hifi world swear by the E-mu 0404 for doing measurements. You can pick up a used one off Ebay or CL for $125 or less.
You don't need the best, but you do need something accurate. ART sells a little unit which has tubes built in... it's cheap, great for recording, probably not great for measurement, as tubes add harmonics.
As far as I can tell, the Behringer, JBL, dbx and Audix measurement mics are identical (at least on the outside), but the Behringer mic is like $50, even less used.
The Behringer and Dayton mics are identical, all the rest are similar, but some are better than others. The nice thing about the Dayton over the Behringer is that it comes with a calibration file you can use in REW.
In combination with REW, this would work fine.
Unless you're doing measurements which must be accurate to within more than a db or two, any of the above will work.
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#24 Post by loudsubz »

Anyone try the mic in the iphone? There is some rta programs that are setup to use the built in mic and feedback seems to be good with the apps but who knows.

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loudsubz wrote:Anyone try the mic in the iphone? There is some rta programs that are setup to use the built in mic and feedback seems to be good with the apps but who knows.
I've played with it. The mic is pretty good, but I wouldn't rely on it for anything more than quick reference. There are some dongles that allow you to attach a better mic... but most of the programs are still a plain-jane RTA for the most part.
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#26 Post by loudsubz »

Thanks Brent for the feedback. Looks like I will give REW a go.

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#27 Post by loudsubz »

After reading some more on the REW site would I need an SPL meter to?

Initially it was said you could use a RS meter for the whole thing but a mic and preamp were better for higher freq?

Looks like I would need
-Behringer mix
-m audio mobilepre
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#28 Post by BrentEvans »

The RS SPL meter can be hooked up to the line in/mic in on a PC as a very basic measurement mic. Its response is fairly poor though, and while REW has a built in correction curve, it's not going to cut it for pro audio. That "Feature" is targeted at the home theater users.

If you want to have calibrated charts, you will need a SPL meter to calibrate REW to actual SPL readings, but after that, I put the meter away. I don't even bother to calibrate if I'm tuning a system, as it doesn't really matter. Taking measurements of speakers is different, you need a direct comparison.
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#29 Post by loudsubz »

Ok makes sense.

If I can find a MobilePre used looks like I can get the setup for just over $100

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