Discreet's First Build - Jack 12: Review

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Discreet's First Build - Jack 12: Review

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It was with mixed feelings that I first plugged in my newly-built BFM J12. Obviously I was very keen for it to sound good, after spending time, money and effort on it, but on the other hand, I wanted to be absolutely honest about it if the cab in truth sounded like a badger farting into a biscuit tin.

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Build Diary here:
http://billfitzmaurice.info/forum/viewt ... 30&t=13121

First test was at home, and solo. I dialled in my usual tone on the amp (top cut, hi-mids cut, low-mids boosted, about 50% bottom end) and, with some trepidation, fired it up.

Initially my heart sank because immediately, and even at low volume, there was a symphony of buzzes, vibration and rattles which I took to be the cab about to explode in a mushroom cloud of plywood confetti. But on closer investigation, and by a process of elimination, I found the unwanted noises were actually coming from:

1 My collection of 50s and 60s tin robots
2 My amp
3 A filing cabinet
4 My computer
5 An IKEA uplighter
6 A central heating radiator
7 My studio monitors
8 Other things in the house I couldn't identify

Very relieved to discover no noises emanating from the cab at all (except for bass!), which surprised me. I was expecting one or two problems that would need sorting out, but initial impressions were favourable. It go loud! But of course it's pretty much impossible to rate the sound at home under those circumstances.

Next test was at a band rehearsal. Line up: drums, bass, guitar, trumpet, tenor sax, keyboards and percussion. The appearance of the J12 provoked mixed reactions, ranging from admiration to derision. ;)

It sounded truly amazing. It doesn't do 'sub'-type bass, (which sucks up too much bandwidth anyway, IMHO), but you can certainly fire a lot of low end/low mids through it -- there's no farting out, rattling or distortion whatsoever. Yet it's super-clear and you can hear every note, even with the top end and hi-mids cut. A very nice, creamy old-school 'low-mid' sound. Chunky and, dare I say it, 'vintage'.

The word that kept going through my mind was 'solid'.

Yet it's precise, very accurate, and sits very nicely in the mix; but it also has 'presence'; i.e. everyone can hear every note (even the drummer), without the amp needing to be turned up excessively -- which is a very neat trick indeed. This necessitates playing more accurately and being right on it timing-wise, though! Which is a good thing! ;)

The band could hear it well from wherever they were standing in the room, and it seemed to project the same tone everywhere in the room, regardless of distance. I'm very much hoping it will be able to perform this trick on a larger scale, i.e. at a gig. That would be just sweeeet. ;)

I'm using a fraction of the master volume I used with my Warwick WCA Pro 600W 4X10 (4 Ohms) for the same apparent SPL. Yet the J12 is half the size of the 4X10, half the weight, and draws far less power from the amp. It's a huge sound for a small box: 22 X 18 X 18" and 40lb (18kg).

Also, I'm not driving the amp so hard (500W @ 4 Ohms; 300W @ 8 Ohms); the J12 is 8 Ohms, but it all seems so much more effortless somehow, and has a more natural and 'open' sound, less 'choked' -- and there's loads of headroom on tap.

But it doesn't seem to need very many watts through it to get this sound. I'm hoping this means the amp will work less hard, run cooler, and therefore be more reliable -- not that I've had any reliability issues yet, he added quickly. ;)

It's a one-hand lift, and easily fits in the car boot (VW Polo) without the effort of putting the seats down. It's really a very impressive and efficient design indeed, and so far I'm totally delighted with it! :D

Next: I'll update this review after I've played a gig or two.

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#2 Post by Drey Chennells »

Those corners and screws are choice. Great review man..
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#3 Post by IanChad »

Fantastic build thread, :clap:
Excellent review, :clap:
Tremendous cab, especially considering the workshop and tools available, :clap:

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#4 Post by coolhandjjl »

discreet wrote:
1 My collection of 50s and 60s tin robots
2 My amp
3 A filing cabinet
4 My computer
5 An IKEA uplighter
6 A central heating radiator
7 My studio monitors
8 Other things in the house I couldn't identify
Been there :lol:
Add to that, tin walls, old pebbled privacy glass in my 'Edward Hopper' (or Raymond Chandler/Private Eye) style office, antique cameras, my Mike Mulligan lunch box, Underwood typewriter, the remaining few incandescent lamp filaments, etc, etc.

Thanks for the great review! Bills designs certainly have great midrange sensitivity as well. I had to tighten my bass's truss rods an 1/8 turn to eliminate some previously unnoticed truss rod buzz, fully lower my bridge's mute pad, as the E would vibrate against it when played hard, again previously unnoticed. I'll probably have to take my rings off as well! :lol:
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#5 Post by Harley »

Good review but I have one question;

How does one get a badger to fart in a biscuit tin? :?:
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#6 Post by Dantreige »

Harley wrote:Good review but I have one question;

How does one get a badger to fart in a biscuit tin? :?:

Well, since I am from the "Badger State" and I like biscuits, I may be able to do some research for you.


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#7 Post by tdogg »

great build and review! which driver did you use? and if you like one, you will LOVE two jacks!!!!
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tdogg wrote:great build and review! which driver did you use? and if you like one, you will LOVE two jacks!!!!
Thanks very much! Used the Kappalite 3012HO. Thought I may as well have the 'premium upgrade' driver as it was only £40 ($64) more than the Deltalite II in the UK. Guessing you pay less than we do for drivers!

Can't imagine ever needing more than one J12, but really want to build another! Want to experiment with different styles of fit and finish, grille options, handles, etc. Thanks again, have a great Sunday. :D

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#9 Post by WB »

discreet wrote:Next test was at a band rehearsal. Line up: drums, bass, guitar, trumpet, tenor sax, keyboards and percussion. The appearance of the J12 provoked mixed reactions, ranging from admiration to derision. ;)
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#10 Post by camrynekai »

Sweet build!!
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discreet wrote:
tdogg wrote:great build and review! which driver did you use? and if you like one, you will LOVE two jacks!!!!
Thanks very much! Used the Kappalite 3012HO. Thought I may as well have the 'premium upgrade' driver as it was only £40 ($64) more than the Deltalite II in the UK. Guessing you pay less than we do for drivers!

Can't imagine ever needing more than one J12, but really want to build another! Want to experiment with different styles of fit and finish, grille options, handles, etc. Thanks again, have a great Sunday. :D
I folowed this build thread on basschat and only just realised it was on here too. It is really making me want to pull my finger out and get my J110s finished.......having said that if you do happen to make another J112, perhaps white with oxblood grill then i would happily take it off your hands!!

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TheNecrinomicon wrote:if you do happen to make another J112, perhaps white with oxblood grill then i would happily take it off your hands!!
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