Is a crown powerbase 2 + crown xls 802 enough?

[scornil01]

Hey guys

well Ive been using a crown powerbase-2 to power 2 dr-200's and an autotuba. This compact combo has been great for my house party gigs. But it's time for me to expand my equipment since I've been getting more and more wedding gigs.

I've recently picked up a fairly new crown xls 802. Since I'm getting a pretty fat tax return (thank god for being a full time student this year) I was thinking of building two OmniTop2x15 and two tuba36's. Im not that good of a woodworker and honestly don't wanna go through with building another couple of Dr's.

So do I have enough wattage? If it is, how could I set it up? Wat speakers would you guys reccomend to load that will go well with these amps? Please bare with me as I am still a newbie. Lol Thanks everyone in advance.

[LelandCrooks]

Otop 2x12's. 15's are a waste with subs.

The 802 is fine.

[SeisTres]

Hey guys

well Ive been using a crown powerbase-2 to power 2 dr-200's and an autotuba. This compact combo has been great for my house party gigs. But it's time for me to expand my equipment since I've been getting more and more wedding gigs.

I've recently picked up a fairly new crown xls 802. Since I'm getting a pretty fat tax return (thank god for being a full time student this year) I was thinking of building two OmniTop2x15 and two tuba36's. Im not that good of a woodworker and honestly don't wanna go through with building another couple of Dr's.

So do I have enough wattage? If it is, how could I set it up? Wat speakers would you guys reccomend to load that will go well with these amps? Please bare with me as I am still a newbie. Lol Thanks everyone in advance.

Just to let you know, that you shouldn't mix tops. So you will either be using the DR's or the Otops. +1 on the 12's. All the recommend drivers are in the plans. And you shouldn't buy anything anyway before getting the plan. And for wedding gigs, I just don't see the use of t36's. Unless you're going to run 4 of them at +30" wide and playing Dub 50% of the time, then there's a reason to build them. If not, go for the t30 or t48. a pair of either of those and you'll be good. Since you mentioned you're not experienced at woodworking, I don't recommend the smaller subs or the smaller drivers. And yes, the xls will do fine. I have the xls802 and 402. However, i am running the 10" driver, but I'll do ok for the 15", just remember to limit your stuff. And for that you will need a processing unit with xover, limiter, eq.

[DJPhatman]

Build, or have another pair of DR200s built. Then add 4 24" wide T39s loaded with the 3012LF. You will need another amp, and a cross-over/EQ, but this will handle probably 95% of your gigs.

[scornil01]

Thanks a lot for the advice guys. The reason why I decided to go with the two omnitop 215 and the two tuba 36's is because I do a lot of house parties that are held in big open backyards where they have no backwalls to bounce back. So I wanted to use the tuba 36's plus the omni 215s for Big outdoor parties and just the otops 215 for indoor parties. I really don't want to use the tubas for indoor parties unless the person hiring is willing to pay extra. Is the otop 215 still overkill? Is the bass of the otop 212 noticably different from the 215? Thanks again.

Oh and is the xls802 enough to power all 4 cabinets? Cuz I do jus have an extra amp that I don't mind carrying around if needed.

[LelandCrooks]

You're really trying to accomplish two different things. The Otop15's do have decent bass response, but otops really are designed to operate with subs. For live sound their bass is probably adequate, for recorded dance music, probably not. I think you'll be unhappy with the in house party sound without subs.

I know you don't want to, but the best option here is another pair of dr200's, and 4 t39's, t30's, or t48's. Make your system scalable, rather than an entirely different system. The whole shebang outside, 2 200's and 1 set of subs inside. More shop effort, less cash than the other way.

If you really want a standalone for inside, Jack 2x12, Omni12 or 15.

Shooting myself in the foot here. If you buy the parts from me, 2 otop 2x15's and the t36's are a buttload of 15" drivers.

[SeisTres]

Thanks a lot for the advice guys. The reason why I decided to go with the two omnitop 215 and the two tuba 36's is because I do a lot of house parties that are held in big open backyards where they have no backwalls to bounce back. So I wanted to use the tuba 36's plus the omni 215s for Big outdoor parties and just the otops 215 for indoor parties. I really don't want to use the tubas for indoor parties unless the person hiring is willing to pay extra. Is the otop 215 still overkill? Is the bass of the otop 212 noticably different from the 215? Thanks again.

Oh and is the xls802 enough to power all 4 cabinets? Cuz I do jus have an extra amp that I don't mind carrying around if needed.

I have had the yamaha 15" full range, worked with 12" jbl and double 15" cabs. And believe me, they're not adequate for any music on full range duty. Sure you can do a party with that, but after using real subs, even the jacks get subs when I play anything other than rock or top40. Is not that the 15's wont get loud with "bass", it's that they just dont have the extension of a properly set up system.

And really, i'll say it again, you don't need the t36's. T48's or t30's will do perfect in your situation. It would be a HUNDRED times better if you brought a single t48/t30 and two OT12's (hell, bring the DR's if you want) than if you brought 2 215 OT15's. Even jacks would be better but I don't recommend it in your case since you play low extension stuff. If I dont recommend the jack, the OT5 is not even close.

So bring one sub for house parties and two small tops(you pick). And then for the bigger stuff, bring two or more subs and bring out the tops you need.

And you can power two subs(three if you're not really pushing them) from one channel and two tops. (that is if you used the 8ohm driver on all).

[RubiconProSound]

I have had the yamaha 15" full range, worked with 12" jbl and double 15" cabs. And believe me, they're not adequate for any music on full range duty. Sure you can do a party with that, but after using real subs, even the jacks get subs when I play anything other than rock or top40. Is not that the 15's wont get loud with "bass", it's that they just dont have the extension of a properly set up system.

a big +1

I had JBL TR225's (two 15" and a horn in each cab...) before building my BF system and I agree...they never did that well as a full range option. They always lacked bottom end because they had to be separated and the cabinets are always too small to get any real bass out of them.

[scornil01]

Thanks for the advice guys. I had a gig this past Saturday at a house party and I hooked up the 2 dr200 and autotuba to the xls802 for the first time and it still sounded great in the highs and mids. Crystal clear sound. But yea I was lacking in the lows with just the autotuba. So I'm gonna build 2 t30s for now and see if I will still need a couple more t30s and dr200s and I'll build those in a month. Can I power 2 dr200 and 2 t30's on just the xls802? 4 dr200 & 4 t30s with only xls802? My Dj gigs usually last 4-6 hours, will I be running my xls802 amp too hard with the 2dr and 2tubas?

[RubiconProSound]

2 t30's on one channel and two DR200's on the other no problem...although you could series-parallel 4 cabs on each channel but I don't know how the 802 would fare. I personally would stick with 2 cabs on each channel. (especially for a house party...I can't imagine my two T30's in my living room...let alone 4)

[bzb]

I think you're getting to the point of it being too much after 2, when it comes to house parties.

I just did one with my 2 T39s/BP102. They had a very large, open basement - probably 30x60 - and I was setup on their pool table. Had the subs v-plated in the corner behind me. At one point in the night, they asked me to turn it all up and started dancing... Kept getting calls for "turn it up!"

Dropped Rob Base - It Takes Two, and after the third or fourth bass hit, all the pool sticks rattled off the wall with a big crash. Was hilarious to the owner, thankfully. I turned it down a bit after that.

I can't imagine what 3012LFs would have done to that basement. But I'll find out, eventually

[SeisTres]

although you could series-parallel 4 cabs on each channel but I don't know how the 802 would fare.

Actually i run 3 titans 39's without any problems on all of my amps (behringer mixer, xls 802, 402) and seem to handle it fine. Four would be really pushing them(in parallel). But I dont v plate my subs, if you vplate them, you'll only need two anyways. And if you're running four, i would think the DR's would start to struggle, so you would also need more tops.

PS, all that I said above is if you're going to use the 3012lf, but if you're going to use the 10", you could start doing the series/parallel thing and then the 802 could drive more cabs. or use the 4ohm bp102.