A formula for speaker placement

[bitSmasher]

[gdougherty]

WTH? Subs on sticks and tops ground clustered? I hope those are never actually used that way.

[DJPhatman]

Welcome to Turbo Sound Loudspeakers, where we have no clue on how to actually design a speaker cabinet or how to use our products, but we have the greatest marketing department, and they make us lots and lots of money!

[novasak]

1 / wrong = LOL

[Israel]

do you come from the land down under(chan chaka chan chaka chan) where the subs are up and the tops are under

[SeisTres]

Does anything else really matter when it look beyond COOL!?!

[BrentEvans]

Hey ya'll, dhese'uns have holes in 'um. I reckon they go on dese'hear powles like dayut. Yup, dat looks raht!

I wunder wye dey put dat lil picktyure wit' der nayme on it up'dere upsid doyown? Dems stup'd.

[Ron K]

Welcome to Turbo Sound Loudspeakers, where we have no clue on how to actually design a speaker cabinet or how to use our products, but we have the greatest marketing department, and they make us lots and lots of money!

A bit harsh dont ya think? Turbo makes quite useful gear and that's certainly not a Turbosound Pic. Its from some rental place showing what's in their rental package.

As far as deploying rigs Turbosound has done quite well in it's own right! All those years of touring with Pink Floyd I'd think they had learned something!

Respectable Company IMHO!

[gdougherty]

Welcome to Turbo Sound Loudspeakers, where we have no clue on how to actually design a speaker cabinet or how to use our products, but we have the greatest marketing department, and they make us lots and lots of money!

A bit harsh dont ya think? Turbo makes quite useful gear and that's certainly not a Turbosound Pic. Its from some rental place showing what's in their rental package.

As far as deploying rigs Turbosound has done quite well in it's own right! All those years of touring with Pink Floyd I'd think they had learned something!

Respectable Company IMHO!

+1, They make a good cabinet for what they are.

[bitSmasher]

do you come from the land down under(chan chaka chan chaka chan) where the subs are up and the tops are under

I missed this post earlier - 10 internet points to you for that

Whilst we're talking about sub placement, this is from Sydney Big Day Out, biggest festival in Australia. One of three sub clusters:



They could be heard over 5km away (I live near the venue). Each stack was placed haphazardly... and yes it sounded pretty mushy up front.

[Landl.livesound]

Welcome to Turbo Sound Loudspeakers, where we have no clue on how to actually design a speaker cabinet or how to use our products, but we have the greatest marketing department, and they make us lots and lots of money!

A bit harsh dont ya think? Turbo makes quite useful gear and that's certainly not a Turbosound Pic. Its from some rental place showing what's in their rental package.

As far as deploying rigs Turbosound has done quite well in it's own right! All those years of touring with Pink Floyd I'd think they had learned something!

Respectable Company IMHO!

+1, They make a good cabinet for what they are.

Oh ya, Turbo makes some good stuff. And for any manufacturer it, unfortunately, isn't their fault when gear is used how it is not meant to be used.

That is one reason why d&b, Meyer, L'Acoustics etc... are such higher prices because it weeds out the people that can't afford that level of equipment. So then the people that do have the money to spend on the equipment are much, much more likely to know how to properly deploy, setup, tune, and align the system. Therefore when it is deployed correctly it makes the system be more consistent from gig to gig. And when BE's come into it they know what to expect. Not to say that these system are pricey just because of this, because they have the goods to back it up. But it keeps to value of the system steady when they can sell it to people that they know, know how to properly deploy it.

Take Care!

[Chris_Allen]

So then the people that do have the money to spend on the equipment are much, much more likely to know how to properly deploy, setup, tune, and align the system.

Unfortunately, that simply isn't true. Nearly all companies have resellers and some sales men will say anything to shift gear. There is absolutely no correllation between the knowledge of the operator, health and safety positioning requirements and the cost of the rig, mainly because all three are influenced and operated independantly.

[DJPhatman]

To you Turbosound fans:

Where's any innovation? How do their speakers differ from Yamaha, JBL, Mackie, etc? They are nothing more than front loaded, ported boxes that can't be arrayed. But, Turbosound charges ~50% more for their cabs, ~$1000 for a 1X15!

For what they are, is plain old cookie-cutter cabinets. You just pay more for the name plate.

[/rant]

PS- This is why we are all here, seeking a better sounding system, at affordable prices.

[Harley]

PS- This is why we are all here, seeking a better sounding system, at affordable prices.

+1

[Landl.livesound]

So then the people that do have the money to spend on the equipment are much, much more likely to know how to properly deploy, setup, tune, and align the system.

Unfortunately, that simply isn't true. Nearly all companies have resellers and some sales men will say anything to shift gear. There is absolutely no correllation between the knowledge of the operator, health and safety positioning requirements and the cost of the rig, mainly because all three are influenced and operated independantly.

Hey Chris,

You would be surprised that as you get to companies buying $100,000+ that the "signal to noise" ratio of people that know how to properly deploy, tune, align and use a FFT system to tune, align, and phase align a system starts going up. It is not perfect, but that is one reason why Meyer, d&b and such can help keep there high status. One reasons being they do there best to put themself in a market to sell to people who know what they are doing.


Think about it is this way: If we had bar level sound guys buying Meyer, d&B, etc, but they weren't as trained on how to deploy or didn't know even how to get a good sound out of them. (As a horrible engineer can make a great system sound bad, in the same way a great engineer can make a bad system sound good.) Well then you could end up with people say things like, "I heard that Meyer system and it wasn't that good." Or "I heard that d&b system and it sounded horrible, I won't ever let myself mix on a system like that if someone offers it."

Even though it isn't the system fault, it is the person that deployed, aligned, tuned, and/or mixed on it.


In the higher end touring industry it matters. That is why there are riders, so someone can say say they would like certain rigs because they know what to expect on them. When you have a turn-key d&b system they know what to expect. A lot less it left to chance with the proprietary processors and amps that d&b offers. And they know that there is a much better chance that someone who spends that much money on a system with hopefully know a little bit more than the usual bar sound guy of what to do with it. Then they can also say "No Versarray" because either they know if won't get loud enough for them, or they know that it is a more affordable line array that they may not know what to expect with it.


Again this is not perfect as I am sure you have heard plenty of bad sounding mixes on great rigs and vice-versa. But if I come into a gig with a d&b system I have a very good idea of what to expect which can be very important on tour.


Take Care!