10x t48 corner loaded v stack

[Wylandright206]

Well, no one asked for it but here it is, I present to you: the stupidest subwoofer array ive ever installed. 10x t48, v plated and corner loaded. Coupled with 2 pairs of lavoce wan123.00 loaded ot12s on FOH all powered by a danley dna20k and an admark k410. We had danley sm60s in the booth and the otops were holding their own! Here's to all the guys on the internet who try to gaslight us. We use danley products all the time, and we still love our bfm gear! I was production manager and a lead organizer on this show so you already know I designed the whole stage around the sound system it was perfection, super neat, compact, organized, evenly distributed around the room and most importantly it felt amazing to listen to.
https://youtu.be/P0Vq67Fl5XI?si=_LciUly-d2OKSlDZ

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

[Seth]

Wyatt, as an avid spearfisherman I really appreciate the set design. So sick. It looks really really well done, with way more small intricate details than most any set designer would bother with. If you designed and constructed the set too, I applaud your style and design choices

I like that the T48 is so efficient that it can be powered by a 1980's clock radio and still get noise complaints from the neighbors. But, the cab is also very deserving of top end venues and top end gear to compliment. The specs on that Danley amp are stout. What a beast. I hope you scooped it up second hand, it's definitely not a budget friendly piece... even used.

I assume the Admark K410 is driving the OTops. I recently picked up an Admark AD-430, just because I came across a deal I couldn't (shouldn't) pass up on it. Much more power than I can foresee myself "needing", but I can't think of any reason not to have 6-8dB of headroom along with cooling capacity. How are you liking the K410?

For some reason I have it in my mind that you used to have S2012's in the OTops. Is the LaVoce a recent swap? How are they working for you? Any notable difference in performance to the drivers they replaced?

[Tom Smit]

Awesome!

[Wylandright206]

So I booked all the production staff and gave them my proposed ideas and we all collaborated on making it happen. The decor was entirely designed and built by a good friend of mine. I am so proud it looked and sounded amazing. The 3 watt lasers were a perfect complement for the projection mapping. We usually book 15 or 30 watt lasers but it would have really washed out the 5k projectors. Those things could light a cigarette from a mile away

The danley gear was donated to us by some close friends of ours, one of whom was a stagehand for this show. They have a massive danley rig with 3 of those amps. Because one of my ipr2 5000s shit the bed and it's been in the shop for 4 months, they let me borrow it for this gig. I needed a proper sub amp. They insisted we used the sm60s too which I of course couldn't say no to. Something poetic about that configuration the k410 was driving the sm60s and the 4 otops and it hardly broke a sweat. I am so far very satisfied with this admark product and will be purchasing more once we have more gigs on this one. They are similar to a pair of ipr2 5000s in terms of output per channel.

We did that reverse engineering thing to the otop, and I found the lavoce wan123.00 to be an exceptional substitute for the kappalite in the otops. We were thinking about ways to increase power density because I like how compact everything is but we definitely have some wiggle room on weight. The lavoce is about 12 lbs so a bit heavier. But it's fairly affordable, slightly higher thermal and mechanical headroom than the 3012ho, and its very spicy at the crossover region so it makes for good summation with a 1.2khz crossover. I frequently measure these as nearly flat in room. Now it requires even less EQ. I mean they actually sound really solid without any eq. I need to take good outdoor measurements as nearfield is a bit more complicated with there being 3 components contributing to the output. I am deeply satisfied with this driver swap which is why I have suddenly converted most of mine. I will probably keep my OG otops with s2012s for use as monitors, they are built with pine and are exceptionally lightweight. We will build more of the new version once we have a more stable way to rig them. Was thinking truss with top plates.

[Wylandright206]

Also worth mentioning, it was a 2 day party. We booked Ahee and Black Carl! If you're into that kind of bass music. This stack was hitting 25hz within around 3 or 4db all over the room. The front to back spl variance was actually phenomenal and at that sort of spl that was quite an experience. I can't even imagine what the tuba60 is like so overkill oh my god.

Here are a couple more clips of the show

https://youtu.be/WQ9BSY8Zn4g?si=I_-L4eeBY3S8wgQD

https://youtu.be/e75gKUMPk1w?si=KCKxIUWDSOPPM6ph

https://youtu.be/vWXPXKBVQ_s?si=t6wnWyzqzRPwVTBz

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

The LaVoce models almost identical to the 3012HO. It even has the same rising midrange. It's as if the LaVoce engineers said 'the 3012HO is perfect, let's shoot for that result'. I'm going to add it as a recommended alternative to the 3012HO, which will be especially helpful for those in Europe where Eminence is harder to find and more expensive than in the US.

[Wylandright206]

It's slightly cheaper than the eminence albeit heavier. It is definitely a more robust driver though. The soft parts are weather treated and a bit heavier than the eminence, lending to a stronger cone and surround. I have no doubt these would take more abuse than the eminence drivers at a lower price. As long as you're cool with that extra 4 or 5 lbs over the 3012ho. They are generally 215$ I buy them from loudspeaker plus. Parts express never restocks them in the quantities I need.

[Wylandright206]

It seems as though lavoce has a lot of drivers that emulate b&c and eminence woofers. There are a couple of them that really stand out to me. They have an absolutely monster ferrite 18 for 329 usd (saf184.03-8 ohms). They sim verrrrry similarly to a b&c driver costing 50$ more. It seems as though their manufacturing is entirely done in China and this is how they are able to charge the prices they do. If the wan123.00 is only 215$ in the US I'm absolutely certain that it would be the defacto choice for those in Europe. They seem to price their drivers very competitively with the market equivalents in the US. Being the cheapskate I am I would buy these over the 3012ho even in the US. The difference in VD is negligible but the price combined with a tiny bit of oh shit room, sold me on it. There's also a neo driver from Dayton that caught my eye as it is suuuuper cheap, even cheaper than the lavoce 12. But the lavoce is much spicier sensitivity wise. Let me know what you think Bill.
https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Au ... tAQAvD_BwE

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

I looked at that, I'm not wild about the cliff at 1.6kHz.

[Wylandright206]

That was my thought too. Might as well spend a little more for the increased sensitivity at the crossover point. Cool thanks Bill glad I could shine some light on the new drivers we have been testing. I still don't think I'll convert any of my pine titans to prvs, but any boxes we build out of birch are getting them. Those can be on the bottom

[LankyJohn]

The LaVoce models almost identical to the 3012HO. It even has the same rising midrange. It's as if the LaVoce engineers said 'the 3012HO is perfect, let's shoot for that result'. I'm going to add it as a recommended alternative to the 3012HO, which will be especially helpful for those in Europe where Eminence is harder to find and more expensive than in the US.

Have just started building my first DIY cab: a Simplexx S12, woofer only, for electric bass.
https://billfitzmaurice.info/forum/view ... hp?t=26592

Am considering installing the Eminence Kappalite 3012HO, which is roughly £45 dearer in England than the lavoce wan123.00.

Having seen this post, would you recommend the lavoce wan123.00 as a suitable alernative to the 3012HO driver please Bill?

Thanks in advance.
J

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

I do. They're equivalent, so save the quid.

[LankyJohn]

That’s great. Many thanks.