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Jack 110 questions

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Finally retired and getting ready to start my build. I've read different opinions on using a tweeter in this cab for bass. Very much like having the tweeter in my Fender combo amp, but it's heavier than I'd like...GK microbass is a great size, but misses the solid low and high ends that the Fender supplies.....so hoping the Jack 10 lite will fix all that. Playing 5 string with roundwounds for jazz, r&b, blues....and all at moderate volume. May go fretless and possibly electric upright and again, assume this would be a fine cab for all that too. Would it be a big pain to start out without the tweeters and add later if I miss them? Better to just put in right off? Also, if I understand Bill's note about updates right, the current plans are the same as the ones I purchased in 2016. Just checking. Thanks in advance for any help. Steve

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#2 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice »

IMO tweeters are a must. Even to the extent that woofers reproduce above 2kHz it's with very narrow dispersion. If you play flatwounds while wearing mittens with the treble EQ off above 2Khz won't matter to you, but otherwise... :roll:

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I left the tweeters off on my J10 Lite. I play P-bass with flats. I'm very happy with it, but in hindsight, I'd put the tweeters in and just EQ as needed.

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Better to have them and not need them than the other way around.

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Thanks for the notes! Yup, that's kind of what I thought. That takes care of the high side. One more puzzle for me is whether I'll hear much difference using S2010 instead of Beta 10. I'm expecting a great low end sound either way, but is one speaker better than the other?

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#6 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice »

From the plans, page one: low frequency output capacity is determined by the driver excursion limit, xmax...The Beta 10 has 3mm xmax, the S2010 4mm, the 2510 4.8mm.

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3mm to 4mm Xmax is a potential difference of 2.5dB
3mm to 4.8mm Xmax is a potential difference of 4dB
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I'm leaning toward the S2010.
So in terms I can understand, the higher xmax is useful for a cleaner low response at higher overall volume? Would I notice much difference at low volume?

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shclark wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:12 pm I'm leaning toward the S2010.
So in terms I can understand, the higher xmax is useful for a cleaner low response at higher overall volume? Would I notice much difference at low volume?
It's not likely that there would be enough of a difference in response between drivers to notice. You'll be good with the S2010 :thumbsup:
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Tall AutoTuba, 20" wide, 2x 8" MCM 55-2421
TruckTuba, 8½" wide, 2x 8" MCM 55-2421

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#10 Post by shclark »

The baltic birch came today and it's finally time to make sawdust - more questions

with the pl adhesive, it looks like best to use it anywhere possible, but I'm not sure about the edges of the smaller braces, especially the ones that are hot glued into position

I'm planning on 4 tweeters in a flat array in series parallel, so with regard to the crossover, am I getting it right to figure a 2k high pass and a 2k low pass in parallel?

also, for bass guitar, would there be any point in using more than 4 tweeters?

Thanks again for great plans and all the ideas!

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For electric bass, I'm figuring on 4 tweeters in series parallel.
Is it about right to put in a low pass filter at 2k and a high pass filter also at 2k?

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#12 Post by Tom Smit »

Yes, that's right.
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