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Simple setup for Church Stake Center

#1 Post by y2kindyz »

Hello everyone,

It has been a while since I have posted a question. Good to see people are still building Bill's designs. I has been in storage since Covid.

I was asked by my Stake Pres to help him come up with a sound system for our Stake. It will be mainly used in a Gym (full court, no Stands on sides) with a Stage on one end and a dividing curtain on the opposite side. When he asked me I thought about selling my setup, 2 T30s, 2 JackLite 12, Mixer, and amps to run. , But last year I took down the amp rack that I built and don't have the time to build another one in time for the next Dance. So, I was thinking of a Powered setup, 1 or 2 18" powered subs, 2 powered 15" or 12" tops with a mixer and a couple of wireless mics. Then I could make up a wiring diagram, maybe color-coded to allow for easy setup.

His budget is about 3500-5000. Is this possible with this budget?

Thanks in advance,

Oscar

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Hey! Good to see you back.

I totally understand trying to make something idiot-proof for the un-educated to use. The powered stuff does bring some ease of use, but also some issues. If there's a way to keep everyone's hands off the controls in the back, things get better. But, I deal with powered boxes at a venue where musician's "roll their own" on a daily basis and it's amazing the kind of stupid stuff they do to the system. If they'd just leave it alone - they'd be better off. So, if you can mount them up high and put the subs in an alcove that hides all the controls - you'll be way ahead of the game.

As far as what to buy, at the that price point there are some options. If it's just some recorded music and announcements you could go with Alto, Mackie, maybe even squeeze under the $5k with QSC (might be tough). If the music isn't getting to carried away, you might make it with one sub (if it's a really good one).

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#3 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice »

What's a Stake Center? Gym acoustics really need line arrays, so either SLA Pro or TLAH Pro would be best, unless they really need the output of three or four stacked OTops.

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Bill Fitzmaurice wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:14 am What's a Stake Center?
Thanks for the quick reply,

Our church is organized with branches, and wards that meet in smaller Chapels and usually have a half-court basketball in them for the youth and ward activities. 6-9 wards make up a Stake. So the Stake Center is usually a larger Chapel where multiple wards can gather for church events.

This will not be a permanent install. The system will only be used for youth Dances and maybe weddings. Probably about once a month or up to 15 times a year depending on activities.

Thanks for the reply Bruce. I will see if we can get the QCS stuff I appreciate the help as always. Hope all is well in Central Texas

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It's no more difficult to set up SLA Pros with T39s than commercial boxes that are more expensive but don't work as well.

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#6 Post by J_Dunavin »

It's ok everyone, i speak church :lol:

Oscar, glad to have you on board man!
I'm also LDS and have been DJing stake dances for a long time. I also happen to be our Ward's technology specialist and assistant stake tech specialist.
(A stake center is just a large church building in the Latter Day Saint circle, wards and branches are smaller buildings or units)

How many kids do you usually have coming to your dances? We usually have less than 150, so i actually downsized to OT8s and T39s, which worked really well last two dances we had. I used to have several T45s and DR200s, but i rarely used the system to it's full capability.
Is this system just for dances, or would it also be used for actives like plays and such?
Normally I would recommend a permanently installed system, but i'm sure the PM group would not be cool with that.
You are correct though that you need to make this as simple as possible for others to set up.
OH if i may also suggest some simple lighting, ANYTHING is better than the dim overhead can lights. :wall:
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y2kindyz wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:03 am
Thanks for the reply Bruce. I will see if we can get the QCS stuff I appreciate the help as always. Hope all is well in Central Texas
Hey Oscar, give me a call if you want to talk about any of it.

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Post modern Christians, tricking folks to get involved with the cult, think they were getting a hardy meal after being invited to the Stake Center only to find a multimillion dollar building with a $100 sound system. Then no budget for a proper DJ rig for all the youth dances and other various events that you do. It’s sad.

I set up my quad stack of t45s in a stake center once, after knocking a picture of Christ off of the wall I was never invited back. Something to do with my inability to read reformed Egyptian or something.
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I will never recommend prefab, diy it baby, all the way. A set of SLA pro cabs and a titan 48 and your done set up a drive rack lock it just build a button pressing instruction guide on how to power on the amp rack.

Having said that I had a pair of Peavey 215s for the first 2ish years I was gigging. Put them on an 18” sub to match and you could be in business for under $3000.
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#10 Post by J_Dunavin »

ACUA wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:56 pm no budget for a proper DJ rig for all the youth dances and other various events that you do. It’s sad.
Well ya got that part right. It’s been a long road trying to help leaders of youth groups to understand the importance of activities.
A few healthy doses of some T45 action was enough to convince the youth who help plan these things that maybe there really is a difference.
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I have a hard time establishing a functional playlist, to the point I don’t want to do it. All the youth want the modern edgy and provocative music but the parents and leadership cringe at anything other than motab.

Our local leadership is pretty much against dances, a real foot loose kind of place, makes me sick. I really like this post modern Christian literature but I can’t stand the sheltered, narrow minded sub culture that stems from the restoration.

I am not interested in affordable pa gear commercially available, if you intend to cater to over 300 people, than it’s not a Mormon dance. You will be fine with a pair of SLApros for tops and a single sub titan39 surly will get the job done. Don’t want the music too loud might not be able to hear the still small voice.
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ACUA wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:03 pm ...diy it baby, all the way. A set of SLA pro cabs and a titan 48 and your done set up a drive rack lock it just build a button pressing instruction guide on how to power on the amp rack.
+1

This would be my choice. With the Driverack locked, everything after the mixer is plug and play. Especially if you wire them per the plans with 4 pole SeakOn's.
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#13 Post by y2kindyz »

Scotty for the late update, before I was given a chance our stake president went down to guitar center and picked a Labor Day special. So far he is happy with the setup so less work for me. From what I understand he had been DJing. Dances. Have not spoken to any of the leaders, but they would not know the difference in a good or bad system Maybe I will get to listen to it some day. Thanks again

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#14 Post by J_Dunavin »

It seems like it comes and goes with each new set of leaders.
I have found success in working with my local ward leaders in providing audio for various activities, other than dances.
It'll come back around, keep up the good fight.
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#15 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice »

Maybe it's because they're used to being in charge but church leaders/ministers/deacons etc. seem to lack the good sense to hand over the job of making sound decisions over to those who know what they're doing, so that they can make sound decisions. :)

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