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Setting limiters - Which mutlimeter?

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:52 am
by Noclu
Hello everybody,

i worked thru the Setting limiter thread, and read what Bill wrote to the T60´s on the plans.
We run 2 T60 (15") on one Proline 3000 Channel in parrallel.

I took my cheapo multimeter and measured 50V (tested different frequencies from 50 - 200 without filtering - Had no chassis connected, just the multimeter)

After realizing my DCX2496 (probably) cant limit the Proline 3000 accordingly i built a small PAD Adapter to reduce the incoming Signal on the AMP.

Now i sent maximum Signal thru the DCX, measured around 50V on my multimeter and set the limiter that it won´t exceed 50V.

My question now is (as i´m no electronics expert, and not too good in english) Do i need to make the measurements with a true RMS multimeter?

I mean, the two T60´s are loud, but i got the feeling that i did something wrong.

As the AMP is rated 1300W at 4 Ohm. Without limiting i measured up to 130V (without PAD adapter) per channel with my multimeter.


Please correct me if i´m wrong, as i´m kinda new to the limiting stuff.
Blew 4 PD 1550 in our old scoops before and trying not to blow the two T60s

Thank you

Kind regards

Noclu

Re: Setting limiters - Which mutlimeter?

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:08 pm
by Bruce Weldy
Noclu wrote: As the AMP is rated 1300W at 4 Ohm. Without limiting i measured up to 130V (without PAD adapter) per channel with my multimeter.
1300 watts at 4 ohms is 72 volts. Are you sure you didn't have the amplifier in bridge mode?

130 volts would produce over 4000 watts at 4 ohms.

What amp are you using?

Re: Setting limiters - Which mutlimeter?

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:33 pm
by Noclu
Oh, you´re totally right!

We use the T-Amp Proline 3000.

The amp shouldn´t be in Bridged mode, but accordingly my measures it must´ve been or my multimeter or the amp is defective!

I will take new measurements made sure the amp is not in bridged mode!

Edit :

But to get back to the multimeter - i checked the description - no info about true RMS or something in it. So i think it´s a Peak/Peak one?

What should i use as guideline for limiter setting?

Re: Setting limiters - Which mutlimeter?

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:06 pm
by Grant Bunter
You don't need True RMS.

You are looking to measure AC volts. It seems what you have already is doing the job...

Re: Setting limiters - Which mutlimeter?

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:16 pm
by Noclu
Thank you!! :)

Re: Setting limiters - Which mutlimeter?

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:19 pm
by CoronaOperator
Noclu wrote: But to get back to the multimeter - i checked the description - no info about true RMS or something in it. So i think it´s a Peak/Peak one?
The cheapo multimeters display a "calculated RMS" voltage which is the same as "true RMS" when measuring sine waves, up to about 3500 hz. Above 3500 hz they can be a few % points off. "True RMS" meters are only useful when the waveform is very irregular, has spikes,non-sinusoidal waves, etc.

Re: Setting limiters - Which mutlimeter?

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:58 pm
by Noclu
Thank you, too! :)