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Using DJ controller and mixer
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:23 pm
by y2kindyz
Hey guys this maybe a stupid question but I am going to ask
I currently have a behringer xenon 1002B. I am thinking of upgrading my xponent controller to a denon MC6000.
I currently run rca's from the xponent to the mixer. The MC6000 has the mixer built in and has xlr outputs.
Would I just take the xlr output and plug them into 2 inputs on the mixer? Or just send the outs to the DriveRack PX?
I have a gdt G788 wireless mic that I use for PA and some karaoke. I don't always mix music. Sometimes I just use rig for PA. That is the reason to wanting to keep the mixer
Thanks in advance,
Re: Using DJ controller and mixer
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:49 am
by J_Dunavin
I would keep the two rigs separate.
The Denon has two mic inputs. If your mixing music and doing some lite Karaoke, you could do it all from the Denon, which in my mind would keep things more simple. Take the XLR outs from the Denon straight into the Driverack.
Use the Berhringer just for PA applications.
IF you felt you had to use the Behringer with the Denon, then I would take the XLR out of the Denon into the stereo Channel on the Behringer, set the channel gain and leave it alone. Still do all mixing on the Denon.
Re: Using DJ controller and mixer
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:58 am
by SoundInMotionDJ
J_Dunavin wrote:IF you felt you had to use the Behringer with the Denon, then I would take the XLR out of the Denon into the stereo Channel on the Behringer, set the channel gain and leave it alone. Still do all mixing on the Denon.
+1
The Denon MC6000 does have a 3 band EQ for each mic input, and that is better than most.
In most cases, I find it easier to handle mics on an external mixer. I use an NI Kontrol S2 with a Behringer 802 tabletop mixer as my "small" rig. The RCA outs of the S2 go into the stereo channel of the mixer, along with the mic(s), and a 3.5mm input for an iPod/iPhone. I have "full control" of the mic channels, and can set relative gains between the mix and music as needed. This is as much about muscle memory for me as anything else.
If I need more input channels, I'll take a rack mounted Denon X500 and plug the S2 outputs into one of those channels. This MOSTLY happens when I am providing the PA for other DJs to use.
Re: Using DJ controller and mixer
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:39 pm
by y2kindyz
Thanks J_D and SoundInMotion,
I was just worried about sending signal from a mixer into another and thought that would cause signal problems. Thank you for confirming my thoughts.
Re: Using DJ controller and mixer
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:04 pm
by J_Dunavin
just keep the signal lines short and watch the gain on the 2nd mixer.
Re: Using DJ controller and mixer
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:36 pm
by y2kindyz
Thanks
What are your thoughts separate amp, mixer rack case vs single larger all in one larger amp rack mixer podium style?
I currently have this
http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/ ... c=142&s=80. It is loaded with a EP2500, xti1002, drpx, behringer xenon 1002B,and wireless mic. But it is getting heavier or I am getting old. LOL.
I was thinking of getting a amp case to house the amps, but I didn't want have to run 4 long wires from the DRPX to the amps.
I was looking into building one like Bruce I the "mobile rack case in Australia " but i don't think I have the skills or time .
Re: Using DJ controller and mixer
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:02 pm
by DJPhatman
FWIW, y2kindyz, I built myself an all-in-one case, 13RU slant on top, 16RU bottom. Rails on the front and back of the bottom, friction held covers for the bottom, and an extra deep lid. I mounted a 17" LCD monitor on the inside of the lid, a 12RU Yamaha EMX-5000 12 channel powered mixer in the slant top, 2 XTi 1000s, a 4RU custom made computer, light controller and dual tray CD player with controller. It is one heavy summabitch! If I were to do it all over again, I'd build/buy super-lightweight separate cases for the mixer, the CD player and controller, the 2 amps, and the computer with the monitor. I'd rather lift a bunch of smaller, lighter cases than the behemoth I have now. Even though it is on some good size casters, it is still a PITA to move anywhere but the flattest tile floor!

Re: Using DJ controller and mixer
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:27 pm
by y2kindyz
Thanks DJP that is kinda what I was thinking.
Do you have some pics? I'd like to see your setup
Re: Using DJ controller and mixer
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:19 pm
by Bruce Weldy
DJPhatman wrote:Even though it is on some good size casters, it is still a PITA to move anywhere but the flattest tile floor!

I have no problem moving mine by myself all the time. In and out of the trailer with no problem.
I don't like lifting anything if I can help it. But I can roll that thing and walk it up small steps on the casters with no problem.
Re: Using DJ controller and mixer
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:22 pm
by DJPhatman
y2kindyz wrote:Do you have some pics? I'd like to see your setup
I'm sorry, no. It is currently buried in a storage locker. The only pictures of it are on a non-working computer.
Bruce Weldy wrote:I have no problem moving mine by myself all the time. In and out of the trailer with no problem.
I don't like lifting anything if I can help it.
This was my intent when I designed it. Roll it in, plug in power, speaker and input wires, and I'm up and running. Except the damn thing weighs, fully loaded, at just over 300 pounds! Hell, empty, the box weighs around 55-60 pounds. Worse yet, it's top heavy (powered mixer and 17" LCD at the top), so stairs are a no-go. Even wheeling it in and out of the trailer was a 2 man job.
Multiple, smaller pieces that will stack on top of each other is a better way, IMHO. I would rather have the amps near the speakers, and the mixer and DSP out front.
Re: Using DJ controller and mixer
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:56 pm
by Bruce Weldy
DJPhatman wrote: Except the damn thing weighs, fully loaded, at just over 300 pounds!
Certainly, what you load it with makes a big difference. I have all lightweight amps.....there are five of 'em now, three driveracks, and a Yamaha MG board. If you are using old iron amps....then yeah, it's gonna be heavy.