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I've been told before I build any speakers that I need to build a deck stand..... Thing is, I'm really on the fence and don't know how to play this. Decks are Technics 1210 Mk2's

Do I make a stand for home use that the decks just sit on....?

Do I make a stand that can be taken apart and set up in a venue when not at home...?

Do I make a stand to house both decks and a mixer, or a unit for each unit, and keep things in flight cases....?

Do I make 2 stands, one for home one for the road (which wont be that often)....?

Can I make a stand heavy enough to support vinyl turntables without vibrations from speakers and dancers interfering with the record...? (I've seen nightclub installs and the deck is sat on bricks so no danger of the arm bouncing over the record - But couldn't carry that for mobile use!)

Should I just get a licence and convert my vinyl collection to CD and buy some CDJs which have great antishock, and CD's weigh less than vinyl.... But then again if I get a vinyl only night going I'll still need to have a stand.....

My Pal has Pioneer CDJ that are all in a rather nice case together, he can just set them up on a table.....

I can't decide......!

MDF or Ply......

why not just build flight cases for them, and set it up on a table

Should I just get a licence and convert my vinyl collection to CD and buy some CDJs which have great antishock, and CD's weigh less than vinyl.... But then again if I get a vinyl only night going I'll still need to have a stand.....

If you want to keep using your turntables, It might be worth converting your vinyl and using a DVS(Digital Vinyl System) such as:

http://serato.com/scratchlive
http://www.native-instruments.com/en/pr ... tor-pro-2/

sine143 wrote:why not just build flight cases for them, and set it up on a table

I think thats a good option, but wouldnt know how they would perform at a venue with a crap floor, once you get a couple of fatty up shaking booty would the arms flick over the records.....? I know the 1210s a really good deck.

Hmmmm perhaps vinyl nights would be set up in a very special circumstance and I'll grab some CDJ for the everyday

grab some neoprene to stick in the bottom of your flight cases, this should help absorb enough of the vibrations.

Back in the early 90's I saw various different schemes to eliminate turntable rumble. One method many tried to implement was to suspend the turntables in a cradle made from latex surgical tubing; This didn't have sufficient dampening and often aggravated the situation.

The only thing that yielded reasonable isolation was concrete poured into those heavy cardboard tubes about 12" in diameter used for concrete pilings. The tubes were about 3 feet high, and had a 3 inch thick platform of concrete on top to form a pedestal / tabletop for the turntables to sit upon. These were in a nightclub and poured in situ however, and were not in the least bit portable.

Even the early CD players didn't work in high vibration environments because the lens servos couldn't correct focus fast enough.

sine143 wrote:grab some neoprene to stick in the bottom of your flight cases, this should help absorb enough of the vibrations.

Neoprene sandwiched between the weight of the turntables and whatever tabletop they are sitting on may as well be a piece of plywood as far as it's ability to isolate vibration at sub frequencies.

Serious recording studios would build cinder block walls filled with sand for LF isolation. Mass is the key here. That's the main reason the SL1200 MKII turntables had a heavy cast rubber base on them.

I'm the first to admit that I know nothing about the DJ world.....but it seems to me that.....

Eschewing your CDs and hard drives for a turntable that every time it gets jostled goes Screttttch!

would be the same as a sound guy...

giving up his digital mixer with built in digital effects for an old Peavey powered mixer with a spring reverb that every time it gets jostled goes Sproooiiiinnng

What am I missing?

Bruce,
That turntable rumble can get from down low to up over 100Hz, and will dominate over the frequencies you're trying to reproduce. So all you hear in the PA in the end is rumble in the bottom end. Not nice.

Even though it's experience with home hi fi, over the years, in various places I have lived, I've tried glass, thick closed cell foam, slabs of wood, whatever. Some worked, some didn't...

Don't you only get that SPROOOIIING when you kick the mixer???

Grant Bunter wrote: Don't you only get that SPROOOIIING when you kick the mixer???

Exactly....and that's why I use newer technology so that can't happen. The point of my analogy was - I wouldn't go back to the old technology and risk that problem.... so, why do DJs want to go back to the old technology when it presents the problems that it does? Especially when you can do the same thing with the newer technology.

Just trying to understand the attraction.....maybe it's just a visual thing that the crowd thinks is cool?

Arrrr now I understand your point..

Bruce Weldy wrote:

Grant Bunter wrote: Don't you only get that SPROOOIIING when you kick the mixer???

so, why do DJs want to go back to the old technology when it presents the problems that it does? Especially when you can do the same thing with the newer technology.

Just trying to understand the attraction.....maybe it's just a visual thing that the crowd thinks is cool?

Because some DJ's like to show of the fact they are using "skill" and not a "Sync" button......

BassheadUK wrote:

Bruce Weldy wrote:

Grant Bunter wrote: Don't you only get that SPROOOIIING when you kick the mixer???

so, why do DJs want to go back to the old technology when it presents the problems that it does? Especially when you can do the same thing with the newer technology.

Just trying to understand the attraction.....maybe it's just a visual thing that the crowd thinks is cool?

Because some DJ's like to show of the fact they are using "skill" and not a "Sync" button......

ahhh...ok, so it ain't only what you do....but how you do it?

Question.....does that impress anyone other than other DJs? And I'm not being facetious or sarcastic.

I know all the cool stuff that I've done to make my "sound" what it is....but, I doubt that anyone other than another sound guy would care (unfortunately). Most patrons only know whether they like it or not....but, it may be totally different in the DJ world.

I've never done clubs from behind the decks, but with friends that have, I know that vinyl DJ's get a lot more respect, when flyers are posted advertising "Classic trance vinyl only" nights the response is overwhelming! (Ive been behind a CD player at discos nothing like a club)

Real DJ's are hard to find these days, with the addition of Virtual DJ software anyone can call them self a DJ. Line up a track, press the sync button, BPM is locked, flick the faders.

With vinyl, its down to ears, knowing the beat of the music, adjusting the pitch correctly, no loops, no sync, just a bit of plastic going around on a motor.

I can see the argument, why do all that extra work, when someone can press a couple of buttons and not even need headphones and get paid the same.... fair comment I guess, are they really "disc jockeys" though...?

BassheadUK wrote: fair comment I guess, are they really "disc jockeys" though...?

Good explanation....thanks.

When I was a kid, a disc jockey worked at a radio station.

But, then sometime after that we got running water, indoor toilets, etc.....