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TLAH Onkyo JVC build

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:10 am
by JohnnyTightlips
I have started building a TLAH set and have a few picture of my progress so far. I am still pretty confused about the crossover setup and what information to plug into the calculator. I was thinking I would add another tweeter giving me 9 so I could more easily wire it to stay the same ohms. I was looking at this thread when I decided to build it with the 6/8 setup.
http://billfitzmaurice.info/forum/viewt ... 13&t=12632 If anyone could tell me what to plug into the calculator that would be awesome. Once I have the bom for the crossover I can order the parts and solder it all together. I wanted to make the smaller TLAH just because I had the material on hand and was looking for a weekend project. I will be building a 9/12 version eventually too. I think I might be giving these to my dad when I get them finished. If I need to add another tweeter to make the calculations easier I can but adding more mids would be tricky at this point. I know some of you are going to tell me to read the directions again and I have read them many many times but I am still a little lost. Here is what I have so far. Also, when I build the 9/12 version can I make it as tall as I want as long as I use the same end sizes?


The pics are too big for posting within the thread so I will link them. Let me know if they don't work.
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I did the first two holes to see how the drivers would fit and since I had dry laid them out on before cutting I knew they would but I wanted to double check since the first would be a template for the next.

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You can see how I laid it all out ahead of time to get a better idea where all the speakers would line up.

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This is the template I made. I was scratching my noodle pretty good trying to figure out the best way to get the exact dimensions off the back of the speaker and then I had a Eureka moment :hyper: I decided to use some painters tape and slowly tape around the entire back side of the speaker. Once I peeled it off I had a perfect oval to trace. I still have it and can take some pictures of it. Once that was made I simply stuck the painters tape to a piece of 3/4" mdf and traced the hole. After that I broke out the jig saw and a template was born.

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I aligned the template up and predrilled holes so that I could screw it in securely for when I was going to route it. I starred one corner so I could remember what direction it would go.

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This is the bit I used with my old school craftsman router. I attached the template to the underside and since the bit is 1" long I had no problem going through all 3/4" mdf at once. All I had to do was drill a hole big enough to get the bit down there and then I just followed the template.

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Here she is all cut up. For the tweeter holes is used a 1 1/8" forstner bit. I thought I was going to have lots of trouble but the 20v portable drill with a fresh bit ate through the mdf like butter.

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And here it is waiting for glue to dry. Before I glued it up I used it as a template to make the second one. Once you have one made it is SUPER easy to make the next one. Just screw them together and use your first speaker as a giant jig. I did not worry about screw holes as I plan to fill them all in with PL and sand them.

Re: TLAH Onkyo JVC build

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:38 pm
by JohnnyTightlips
Looking through the plans better I was thinking I could wire the 6 woofers in series/parallel 3-3 to get 6 ohms (with the 1.5 multiplier). I would add another tweeter to get 9 total and then wire the tweeters series/parallel in 3-3-3 to keep it at 6 ohms. I would then plug that in and get this. Am I on the right track?


4000 Hertz

6 Ohm Tweeter / 6 Ohm Woofer
Parts List
Capacitors
C1 = 4.42 uF
C2 = 13.26 uF
C3 = 8.84 uF
Inductors
L1 = 0.18 mH
L2 = 0.36 mH
L3 = 0.12 mH

Re: TLAH Onkyo JVC build

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:45 pm
by Michael Ewald Hansen
Get a batch resizer, like this!

Then you can resize all your pictures in one take and can upload them here or use something like imageshack to host them.. Its way easier to follow the thread when the pictures are on the forum..

Re: TLAH Onkyo JVC build

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:20 pm
by JohnnyTightlips
Fixed it - added pics

Re: TLAH Onkyo JVC build

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:07 pm
by JohnnyTightlips
Does anyone have any crossover advice? I am kind of at a stand still until I know if what I did was right. If I need to go with 9 tweeter I will but I can't finish the boxes until I get that decided. Sorry if I am being a pest.

Thanks

Re: TLAH Onkyo JVC build

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:30 pm
by LelandCrooks
Looks right to me. The values appear to be in the range, based on what I've figured for varying impedance lines in these cabx.

Re: TLAH Onkyo JVC build

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:54 pm
by JohnnyTightlips
Awesome, thanks a lot I will get the last tweeter drilled and continue with my build. 8)

Re: TLAH Onkyo JVC build

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:05 pm
by JohnnyTightlips
Here is what I have planned. I have never bought individual crossover parts before. I have more so just followed a bill of materials. My questions is, how close do I need to be to what the calculator said. I could add caps in parallel to get closer to the number but is what I have good enough? These are the closest numbers I could find to match. Thanks

C1 = 4.42 uF / Dayton Audio DMPC-4.3 4.3uF 250V Polypropylene Capacitor Part Number: 027-419

C2 = 13.26 uF / Dayton Audio DMPC-12 12uF 250V Polypropylene Capacitor Part Number: 027-430

C3 = 8.84 uF / Dayton Audio DMPC-8.2 8.2uF 250V Polypropylene Capacitor Part Number: 027-426

L1 = 0.18 mH / Jantzen 0.18mH 18 AWG Air Core Inductor Part Number: 255-208

L2 = 0.36 mH / Jantzen 0.37mH 18 AWG Air Core Inductor Part Number: 255-222

L3 = 0.12 mH / Jantzen 0.13mH 18 AWG Air Core Inductor Part Number: 255-204

Re: TLAH Onkyo JVC build

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:34 pm
by LelandCrooks
+- 10%

Re: TLAH Onkyo JVC build

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:17 pm
by JohnnyTightlips
Great, now I just need to be able to afford the crossovers. :-)

Re: TLAH Onkyo JVC build

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:09 pm
by subharmonic
JohnnyTightlips wrote:Here is what I have planned. I have never bought individual crossover parts before.
If you buy from Leland he can do the calcs and sell you the proper parts, not saying yours aren't. Its just this isn't his first rodeo as they say.

Re: TLAH Onkyo JVC build

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:11 pm
by JohnnyTightlips
I don't mind buying from Leland. I will send him a PM.

Re: TLAH Onkyo JVC build

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:11 am
by Jon Barnhardt
subharmonic wrote:
JohnnyTightlips wrote:Here is what I have planned. I have never bought individual crossover parts before.
If you buy from Leland he can do the calcs and sell you the proper parts, not saying yours aren't. Its just this isn't his first rodeo as they say.
+100