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Anyone get access to one of these? I'm looking to drop a dime on a couple of them. Curious to know if anyone has had a chance to play with it yet.

The only IPR model available so far on the market here has been the IPR1600. NS&L website says on the 3000: "As of 5/7/10, Peavey has provided an estimated ship date of September/October 2010". For the larger models: "As of 5/7/10, Peavey is not able to provide an estimated ship date".

Crown XLSDrivecores are shipping. I should have them shortly.

LelandCrooks wrote:Crown XLSDrivecores are shipping. I should have them shortly.

Leland,

I've been to Crown's website and looked at the manual on these - the crossover looks good (more options than the XTI series), but there was scant info on the limiters. Do you know if it is a variable limiter that will do the job we need to protect the BFM cabs?

Guys... Its a little murky in the xls drivecore manuals.

Can you set a lopass and a hipass on one channel? (say, to run a bfm sub)

if not... that seems like kind of a bummer....

Bruce Weldy wrote:
Leland,

I've been to Crown's website and looked at the manual on these - the crossover looks good (more options than the XTI series), but there was scant info on the limiters. Do you know if it is a variable limiter that will do the job we need to protect the BFM cabs?

From what I take on the Drivecore limiters, they are on and off only. And the bad part is that crown does'nt tell any specs.

When I get some in I'll pop one open and play with it.

Til then, take a look at my new stuff.

I think it brings a whole new paradigm to DIY cabs. They're why I've been selling my amplifiers. No more dollies for me.

http://www.speakerhardware.com/products.php?cat=130
http://www.speakerhardware.com/products.php?cat=129

LelandCrooks wrote:When I get some in I'll pop one open and play with it.

Til then, take a look at my new stuff.

I think it brings a whole new paradigm to DIY cabs. They're why I've been selling my amplifiers. No more dollies for me.

http://www.speakerhardware.com/products.php?cat=130
http://www.speakerhardware.com/products.php?cat=129

Leland -

Are you going to sell the Digmoda plate amps separately, or just as part of the packages listed above?

I could definitely see the appeal of this kind of a rig for rental systems, or for folks who never planned to go past 2 subs + 2 tops, but there are efficiencies to be had when using traditional amplifiers. I'm not sure I'd call it a whole new paradigm in DIY, unless I'm missing something big here. They appear to be multi-channel plate amps with built in DSP.

It's a new paradigm basically because it didn't exist. At all in the diy world. The only plate stuff I could find available were the PE amps, which hardly qualify for anything but monitor use.

I'm considering offering them separately. The difficulty is the DSP is not user configurable. It's an OEM product. The dsp in these makes every other one I've seen look like tinkertoys. Delay, all pass, band pass, high pass, low pass, treble and bass shelving, parametric, in 16 separate filters. Gain control, configurable outputs, 3 levels of compression/limiting.

I would agree that standalones are more flexible. But if you look at the big boys they're almost all self powered in the high end boxes. Granted, that makes more money, they get to sell amps also. But the appeal of a plug n play system is pretty high. And my first run made me a believer. It was easy peasey.

LelandCrooks wrote:It's a new paradigm basically because it didn't exist. At all in the diy world. The only plate stuff I could find available were the PE amps, which hardly qualify for anything but monitor use.

I'm considering offering them separately. The difficulty is the DSP is not user configurable. It's an OEM product. The dsp in these makes every other one I've seen look like tinkertoys. Delay, all pass, band pass, high pass, low pass, treble and bass shelving, parametric, in 16 separate filters. Gain control, configurable outputs, 3 levels of compression/limiting.

I would agree that standalones are more flexible. But if you look at the big boys they're almost all self powered in the high end boxes. Granted, that makes more money, they get to sell amps also. But the appeal of a plug n play system is pretty high. And my first run made me a believer. It was easy peasey.

Ooooh. the DSP is not user-configurable? I'm guessing they're restricting who they'll let have access to the software DSP configuration tool?

That would be a total game-killer for me. What if I need to alter the delay because I have to put the subs somewhere goofy to get proper loading? Or re-adjusting for indoor vs. outdoor to get a proper balance between subs and tops?

That said - It is a new approach in the DIY space, and although I don't like it for my use, that's not to say that it wouldn't be a perfect fit for a lot of other applications, like churches, schools, small rental rigs, etc....

It all come down to the individuals needs vs his abilities anyways.Most of the time someone wanting a Plug-n-Play rig doesn't have the chops to begins system tuning beyond EQ so the canned approach is most likely doing him a big favor.

For the advanced operator he can always send delayed signals to the individual pieces if necessary or use physical alignment.

Lots of companies use the preprocessed box and some of them work rather well.

I still prefer things I have all control over but there is a strong market for both schools of thought especially in the bar/club scene. Lots of weekend warriors want simplicity and speedy load in and load out. I can appreciate that especially when the pay checks are going down and the requested service level is rising.

As an operator you need to find ways to make a profit while not killing yourself to do so. Every little bit helps.

hmm... They surely do look nice, probably not for me, but I can definitely see the advantage for many types of people.

I guess the only downside for me is the price ( no offense leland). If my numbers are correct, it cost me no more than 1500 for my build, and thats including a crown xti 2k, wood, and cables. Granted, I didnt load with the best drivers, so pop that up to around 1750 tops, done, with duratex.

Having a built in amp just doesnt seem like it merits the ~ 700 dollars in difference (i''m factorin in about 150-200 for wood and duratex)
for *me personally* The only difference in my setup is I would be running an xlr cable all the way to my subs, instead of a speakon cable.


Quick question... probably overlooking some stuff. As far as I can tell (looking at manual) the plate amp only has 2 outs? I assum one would be the lopass to the other sub, and the other would be to the tops, but it states that it has 2 top amps. Would you have to use 4 conducter cable out of the top out, in order to get stereo?

They aren't cheap, no doubt. It is more expensive than the standalone solution using xti's. There are pros and cons to each.

The amps have molex connectors inside that you connect to externally mounted jacks to feed the other speakers. They're included in the kits I put together. You can configure it however you like actually.

Oooh, thats nice I admit. I was really confused, I was like... what is going on there. That really clears it up. I agree there are pros and cons to each, and I KNOW this will spank powered subs you can buy!

This is the Ultimate weekend warrior setup. If they dont plan on expanding past weekend warrior/ build different stuff.