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Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:17 pm
by Hackomatic
Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:My figures assume that both the operator and audience are sane, and don't have ambitions of going prematurely deaf.

You give humanity to much credit, Bill. When vehicles really started cranking the bass and I started hearing them 2 miles from my house as they approached, I invested heavily in Miracle Ear. It appears I made a wise decision . . .
Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:50 pm
by Charles Warwick
Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:My figures assume that both the operator and audience are sane, and don't have ambitions of going prematurely deaf.

To be fair, even one DR can cause serious hearing damage so it's totally up to the user how much hearing they want to loose; which is why whenever the wife and I go out we usually bring earplugs. It's a bit unfortunate but the trend seems to be that if it isn't damaging your ears it's not loud enough.

Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:47 am
by Grant Bunter
Charles Warwick wrote:
To be fair, even one DR can cause serious hearing damage so it's totally up to the user how much hearing they want to loose; which is why whenever the wife and I go out we usually bring earplugs. It's a bit unfortunate but the trend seems to be that if it isn't damaging your ears it's not loud enough.

Very true.
As has been commmented on many time, Bill's designs are also very clear and celan.
For many, that clearness and cleaness seems to not be equated with loud.
My SPL meter tells me it is loud (if I let it get there), it just doesn't seem it...
Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:20 am
by 88h88
hifibob wrote:To bad your so far away!! We got some huge acts booked already! Our soft opening night on the 27 of Dec we have Terravita performing and theyy will shake the roof loose! In January we have Aly & Fila, Alex Metric and Destructo and Febuary is going to be ridiculous! I wish some of the BFMer's could come!
For Terravita you don't even need the T60s, I don't think there's anything in those tracks under 60hz...
Anyway, what's the venue called so I can look for reviews which will simply be this smiley:
...followed by the words "The bass hit me so hard I pooped"
Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:21 pm
by hifibob
Hey 88 its called Therapy.. Im sure I'll have some great Youtube vids to follow!
Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:20 pm
by escapemcp
Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:escapemcp wrote:I understand that everyone says that Bill's estimated audience figures are conservative, but I do free parties, and there is NO-WAY that I would want to do shows using Bill's crowd to sub figures...
My figures assume that both the operator and audience are sane, and don't have ambitions of going prematurely deaf.

Yeah... I totally get that for most gigs those figures are indeed conservative. Just that in dance music they are optimistic. Horses for courses. Didn't want to put any noses out with that comment... Just trying to explain the overkill that bob is going for (and that I hope to get to some day). I know I will always need more speakers if I use ANY recommended audience figures.

Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:48 pm
by sine143
escape, have you verified your cabs phase relationship yet?
Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:49 pm
by osse
escapemcp wrote:Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:escapemcp wrote:I understand that everyone says that Bill's estimated audience figures are conservative, but I do free parties, and there is NO-WAY that I would want to do shows using Bill's crowd to sub figures...
My figures assume that both the operator and audience are sane, and don't have ambitions of going prematurely deaf.

Yeah... I totally get that for most gigs those figures are indeed conservative. Just that in dance music they are optimistic. Horses for courses. Didn't want to put any noses out with that comment... Just trying to explain the overkill that bob is going for (and that I hope to get to some day). I know I will always need more speakers if I use ANY recommended audience figures.

In this case, this is more of a personal taste of how much bass you aim for. The suggested audience size from Bill's side doesn't weaken his cabs in comparision to other cabs, which are the most, if not only, important thing. I also tend to think the numbers are a bit exaggerated, but also I've recieved hearing damage listening to sound systems at levels I like.
Another interesting topic is, does bad(in yours/mine/whoevers opinion) music thru bad sound systems(lots of distortion) damage your ears in an earlier stage than if you really enjoy the experience and soundsystem? I can expose myself to good sound and music for loong periods of time but the opposite I can't stand... It's bleeding from my ears
Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:53 am
by Bill Fitzmaurice
osse wrote:Another interesting topic is, does bad(in yours/mine/whoevers opinion) music thru bad sound systems(lots of distortion) damage your ears in an earlier stage than if you really enjoy the experience and soundsystem? I can expose myself to good sound and music for loong periods of time but the opposite I can't stand... It's bleeding from my ears
High distortion results in a lot of artificial harmonic content in the midrange, where your hearing is the most sensitive and the most easily damaged. 105dB clean sounds much better and is less damaging than 95dB dirty.
Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:29 pm
by hifibob
Osse and Bill are spot on! Very loud sound systems that are clean are so much easier on your ears and you can go all night without it bothering you.. In Boston and Rhode Island most of the sound systems get pushed so hard (and its not even that loud) and they sound like garbage and fatigues your ears in a hurry.. Hence the reason for my madness!!!
BAMM!!!

Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:14 pm
by Rich4349
Not sure what you decided to do with the t-60s: are all 12 loaded, or are some of them bluffing?
Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:34 pm
by hifibob
Rich4349 wrote:Not sure what you decided to do with the t-60s: are all 12 loaded, or are some of them bluffing?
They are all loaded rich.. I figured what the heck!
Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:28 pm
by sine143
those bottom dr280s look like toooo much splay to me. they'll be covering barely any audience and causing major floor reflections.
Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:06 pm
by hifibob
sine143 wrote:those bottom dr280s look like toooo much splay to me. they'll be covering barely any audience and causing major floor reflections.
There is only 50' of dance floor in front of them.. they aim perfectly at the 4 quarters of the dance floor.. These will be power shaded so those bottom 2 cabs will be running a lot less hot than the ones above them.. Besides this venue will be heavily packed so not much if any dance floor will be exposed ..
Re: The journey begins.. 16 T60's and 12 DR280's!!
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:43 am
by gdougherty
Do you plan on putting grills in front of everything?
Those subs look like they're just waiting for douchbags to toss their trash down the throats.