BFM system review.
Yeah, but they're way too low for a dance crowd or small room. The top cab is where the bottom cab should be. That'd be a perfect setup for an audience that's further away or on a 3 or 4 foot high stage. If anyone gets close to those things with serious SPL it'll be painful.nola50 wrote:I've seen those stands that the PA is on... what are those called again? Super idea- more stable than putting them on sticks, eh???
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Bill Fitzmaurice
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True. The lowermost high frequency source should be just about head height for the closest listeners while the upper elements project the HF over their heads to the rear of the room.Tim Ard wrote:Yeah, but they're way too low for a dance crowd or small room.nola50 wrote:I've seen those stands that the PA is on... what are those called again? Super idea- more stable than putting them on sticks, eh???
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Mark Coward
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Sorry about the delay but thanks for asking. I ended up in the hospital yesterday with profuse swelling in my right leg from the knee down. Got to spend the night there as I had to wait to have a sonagram. Turns out the test was negative for a bloodclot. (Which the doctor and I were certain that I had...)Mark Coward wrote:So how did the gig go?
Have to go to the doctors office now so he can engage in some more guesswork. Will post about the gig later tonight.
Currently running:
Four Titan 48's, Six Omnitop 12's, Two Wedgehorn 10's, Omni12 2-10
Also Built: Omni15 Tallboy, Omni10.5.
'The hardest material on earth is the human skull'. How do we know this? Try pounding a new idea into one.
Four Titan 48's, Six Omnitop 12's, Two Wedgehorn 10's, Omni12 2-10
Also Built: Omni15 Tallboy, Omni10.5.
'The hardest material on earth is the human skull'. How do we know this? Try pounding a new idea into one.
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David Carter
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Yikes! Hope they're able to figure it out soon! Good luck!vlad335 wrote:Sorry about the delay but thanks for asking. I ended up in the hospital yesterday with profuse swelling in my right leg from the knee down. Got to spend the night there as I had to wait to have a sonagram. Turns out the test was negative for a bloodclot. (Which the doctor and I were certain that I had...)
Have to go to the doctors office now so he can engage in some more guesswork. Will post about the gig later tonight.
Dave
Built:
- Omni 10 (S2010 + piezo array)
- 2 x DR250 (DL II 2510 + melded array)
- 2 x Titan 39 (BP102 - 14"W)
- 2 x Titan 39 (3012LF - 20"W)
- 4 x DR200 (Delta Pro 8B + melded array)
Built:
- Omni 10 (S2010 + piezo array)
- 2 x DR250 (DL II 2510 + melded array)
- 2 x Titan 39 (BP102 - 14"W)
- 2 x Titan 39 (3012LF - 20"W)
- 4 x DR200 (Delta Pro 8B + melded array)
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David Robinson
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That's not what was meant when it was said to put a leg under the v-coupler!vlad335 wrote:
Sorry about the delay but thanks for asking. I ended up in the hospital yesterday with profuse swelling in my right leg from the knee down. Got to spend the night there as I had to wait to have a sonagram. Turns out the test was negative for a bloodclot. (Which the doctor and I were certain that I had...)
Have to go to the doctors office now so he can engage in some more guesswork. Will post about the gig later tonight.
Seriously, I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say our thoughts and prayers are with you. So post both reports for us when you can.
I'm not a musician, but I play one in a band.
Thanks for the replies!
I would have to say the gig was a resounding success for the band. We made a good bit of cash ( Initial agreement of $250 + the door) and everyone had a great time! Pretty big crowd considering every place in the area had a band for Halloween. Everyone that came in stayed. We each took home $155 and this was with a 3.00 cover plus we gave away about $200 in cash prizes for costumes.
The system performed beyond belief. I turned the Titans towards the wall, 16" away and they were slamming. A bit too much though, especially for the guitar player's rig. His guitar cut out a couple times in the first couple tunes and he thought his cable was bad. Turns out the bass waves were pushing his cable out of his amp! We had to move his half stack a bit and duct tape his cord to the head! OK, OK... I admit I may have had the kick a bit too loud at first but got it tamed down. I forgot the way the drummer soundchecks his drums and plays live are two different levels. Plus the new toy effect was in play. Unfortunatly, the guitar player got the full brunt of this. (We need a soundman.)
At the end of the night some dude told me his beer bottle was moving on the bar when we were playing. The bar I'd estimate is a good 100' away! I used to put thousands of watts into multiple 18" subs and it wouldn't do this. I turned up the CD playing through the system and it sounded beautiful at the bar. Clean and clear and the bass was hitting. I wished I could have heard what the band sounded like.
Something else remarkable was there was no feedback. None... Nada, zippo, zilch. Not one second of feedback even with the lead singer walking out onto the dance floor a couple times. I don't know if this was the RTA or the Omnitops or a combination of the two but I don't think I ever played without dealing with feedback. AND WE WERE LOUD!
I heard a couple comments on how clear the vocals were and my wife said it sounded great. Thats good enough for me as she can be brutally honest at times. The place where we played is full of expert critics and I heard nothing negative at the end of the night.
Anyone reading this and sitting on the fence about building some BFM cabs I say stop wasting time and do it. Before I wandered into here I was reading posts on PSW recommending 4000 watts to drive subs for a small system.
Bullshit! High effeciency horns are the way to go.
I would have to say the gig was a resounding success for the band. We made a good bit of cash ( Initial agreement of $250 + the door) and everyone had a great time! Pretty big crowd considering every place in the area had a band for Halloween. Everyone that came in stayed. We each took home $155 and this was with a 3.00 cover plus we gave away about $200 in cash prizes for costumes.
The system performed beyond belief. I turned the Titans towards the wall, 16" away and they were slamming. A bit too much though, especially for the guitar player's rig. His guitar cut out a couple times in the first couple tunes and he thought his cable was bad. Turns out the bass waves were pushing his cable out of his amp! We had to move his half stack a bit and duct tape his cord to the head! OK, OK... I admit I may have had the kick a bit too loud at first but got it tamed down. I forgot the way the drummer soundchecks his drums and plays live are two different levels. Plus the new toy effect was in play. Unfortunatly, the guitar player got the full brunt of this. (We need a soundman.)
At the end of the night some dude told me his beer bottle was moving on the bar when we were playing. The bar I'd estimate is a good 100' away! I used to put thousands of watts into multiple 18" subs and it wouldn't do this. I turned up the CD playing through the system and it sounded beautiful at the bar. Clean and clear and the bass was hitting. I wished I could have heard what the band sounded like.
Something else remarkable was there was no feedback. None... Nada, zippo, zilch. Not one second of feedback even with the lead singer walking out onto the dance floor a couple times. I don't know if this was the RTA or the Omnitops or a combination of the two but I don't think I ever played without dealing with feedback. AND WE WERE LOUD!
I heard a couple comments on how clear the vocals were and my wife said it sounded great. Thats good enough for me as she can be brutally honest at times. The place where we played is full of expert critics and I heard nothing negative at the end of the night.
Anyone reading this and sitting on the fence about building some BFM cabs I say stop wasting time and do it. Before I wandered into here I was reading posts on PSW recommending 4000 watts to drive subs for a small system.
Bullshit! High effeciency horns are the way to go.
Currently running:
Four Titan 48's, Six Omnitop 12's, Two Wedgehorn 10's, Omni12 2-10
Also Built: Omni15 Tallboy, Omni10.5.
'The hardest material on earth is the human skull'. How do we know this? Try pounding a new idea into one.
Four Titan 48's, Six Omnitop 12's, Two Wedgehorn 10's, Omni12 2-10
Also Built: Omni15 Tallboy, Omni10.5.
'The hardest material on earth is the human skull'. How do we know this? Try pounding a new idea into one.
Oh... Forgot.
The drummer didn't say much but we have rehearsal tonight so I will see him then. Considering he had about 20 family members there I am wondering what they had to say.
The drummer didn't say much but we have rehearsal tonight so I will see him then. Considering he had about 20 family members there I am wondering what they had to say.
Currently running:
Four Titan 48's, Six Omnitop 12's, Two Wedgehorn 10's, Omni12 2-10
Also Built: Omni15 Tallboy, Omni10.5.
'The hardest material on earth is the human skull'. How do we know this? Try pounding a new idea into one.
Four Titan 48's, Six Omnitop 12's, Two Wedgehorn 10's, Omni12 2-10
Also Built: Omni15 Tallboy, Omni10.5.
'The hardest material on earth is the human skull'. How do we know this? Try pounding a new idea into one.
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Excellent! Glad to hear it was a success! I am still curious to see if the drummer is ever going to admit he was wrong.
By the way, how is your leg?
By the way, how is your leg?
Dave
Built:
- Omni 10 (S2010 + piezo array)
- 2 x DR250 (DL II 2510 + melded array)
- 2 x Titan 39 (BP102 - 14"W)
- 2 x Titan 39 (3012LF - 20"W)
- 4 x DR200 (Delta Pro 8B + melded array)
Built:
- Omni 10 (S2010 + piezo array)
- 2 x DR250 (DL II 2510 + melded array)
- 2 x Titan 39 (BP102 - 14"W)
- 2 x Titan 39 (3012LF - 20"W)
- 4 x DR200 (Delta Pro 8B + melded array)
Thanks for asking. Not as swollen today. Just glad its not a blood clot. I don't remember hurting it at any time but must have with loading equipment. Always wondered why those old guys were always after lighter cabs!David Carter wrote:Excellent! Glad to hear it was a success! I am still curious to see if the drummer is ever going to admit he was wrong.
By the way, how is your leg?
Now I'm one of them.Went to the Dr. and he told me to take motrin and gave me some percocets. So if I'm posting incoherantly on here tonight, ( Well... More than usual) Thats why.
Currently running:
Four Titan 48's, Six Omnitop 12's, Two Wedgehorn 10's, Omni12 2-10
Also Built: Omni15 Tallboy, Omni10.5.
'The hardest material on earth is the human skull'. How do we know this? Try pounding a new idea into one.
Four Titan 48's, Six Omnitop 12's, Two Wedgehorn 10's, Omni12 2-10
Also Built: Omni15 Tallboy, Omni10.5.
'The hardest material on earth is the human skull'. How do we know this? Try pounding a new idea into one.
First of all, I hope all is okay with your leg. When you posted, it sure didn't sound too good.
I'm glad that all of your hard work paid-off, and that you've proven your point. There's no denying that the nay-sayers were wrong.
You should pick up a Cornish Game Hen at the supermarket, bake it, and take it to practice. Tell the drummer it's a crow, and demand that he eat it or leave the band.
I'm glad that all of your hard work paid-off, and that you've proven your point. There's no denying that the nay-sayers were wrong.
You should pick up a Cornish Game Hen at the supermarket, bake it, and take it to practice. Tell the drummer it's a crow, and demand that he eat it or leave the band.
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David Robinson
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First, how's the leg?
Second, so that I can better explain to my son's band, how are your amps in the rack configured i.e. bridged, parallel, etc.? I told my son about you shaking the cable out and the falling ceiling tile, and he stood there in disbelief, especially when I showed him the specs on the amps you use. He's in one of those "kiddie bands" mentioned in another thread. Most of his crowd thinks if there aren't a boatload of 18" speakers running across the width of the stage, no one will be able to feel the kick.
I'm slowly converting them, though My 14" T39 has now taken up residence under a vertical 2x10 (to be replaced as soon as my current build list is complete) for my son's bass player
. One of the young turk bassists said "that looks like shit" as he was moving in his 8x10 SVT. He changed his tune rather rapidly once he heard it.
Anyway, any info and your rack would be greatly appreciated.
Second, so that I can better explain to my son's band, how are your amps in the rack configured i.e. bridged, parallel, etc.? I told my son about you shaking the cable out and the falling ceiling tile, and he stood there in disbelief, especially when I showed him the specs on the amps you use. He's in one of those "kiddie bands" mentioned in another thread. Most of his crowd thinks if there aren't a boatload of 18" speakers running across the width of the stage, no one will be able to feel the kick.
I'm slowly converting them, though My 14" T39 has now taken up residence under a vertical 2x10 (to be replaced as soon as my current build list is complete) for my son's bass player
. One of the young turk bassists said "that looks like shit" as he was moving in his 8x10 SVT. He changed his tune rather rapidly once he heard it.Anyway, any info and your rack would be greatly appreciated.
I'm not a musician, but I play one in a band.